Ivan Rakitić

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
Sure... All players are happy to feel the competition's cool gasp or breath all the time under their shirts, they particularly like those being brought in instead of having them regularly, they love to remain on the bench, they enthusiastically love to be the last 14 minutes substitutions in hard or lost games... So yes, you are right and this is just a fictional boolshift that came to my mind during my early lunch...

Hurrah the competition :rockon:, where the slowly degrading team finally finds itself being competing more internally than externally. :p Wise...

Players don't perform based on what they love or what make them happy,life doesn't go this way neither is football. Let the player do what they want and you win nothing. I didn't say players would love it,I said player can handle it. Done b4 and will always happen. Can't believe that people would still argue something like that.
Competetion would lead to players causing problems in dressing room or asking to transfer like Bravo or Pedro did but to make players performing worse? I have seen football for 20 years and have never seen that in any mentally strong player.


No wonder you didn't understand my historical example with the generals, as you seem yield the ancient "NOBODY is IRREPLACEABLE" slogan.
This is how dictators work while trying to adaw their soldiers, but wise coaches know that all primness built rotations and replacements usually bring nothing but dubiety and hesitancy...

This is one of the most over analyzing nonsense I have seen,congratulation. You have been able to beat the likes of me and BBZ. That is quit an achievement body :wave:
 

Potroh

New member
Can't believe that people would still argue something like that.

You are more than welcome to disagree with my sentences but actually you do not argue with me, you do that towards the nature of this game and the ancient facts of how sportsmen react mentally when they feel to be unsettled or forced to fight for their once solid & unquestionable positions.

Competetion would lead to players causing problems in dressing room or asking to transfer like Bravo or Pedro did but to make players performing worse?

Competitions make players stiff, overzealous, overreacting and filled with abeyance, if:
- the competitors are of more or less the same age and quality
- or they are already ageing and need to compete with physically better, younger but less experienced players

Competitions make players better if they're young and they compete for a position they haven't yet held or inherit.

I have seen football for 20 years and have never seen that in any mentally strong player.

Sorry, I've seen this game for over 50 years, was coaching quite a few players too, thus the only thing I can tell you is that unless the player has private problems and the like, his mental strength hugely depends on the coach, his overall acceptance status, the trust on him, on the locker-room, and if he is handled like being in the ascending phase or the descending one in his carrier...
 
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DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
The crux of your argument seem to be that it's better with less competition for the positions, but I do not really agree with that. However, if you said less rotation(new RCM) every game would be better, then that would be more reasonable IMO.

If you rotate the three players, competitors for one position in almost every game, then eventually they would play far more conservatively than you'd like, as they'd be afraid of making mistakes, thus also not making the creative contribution and effort they can. They would want to keep their position and impress the coach, but in the end, end up doing neither as they would overthink, not play as freely as they should.
 

Potroh

New member
The crux of your argument seem to be that it's better with less competition for the positions, but I do not really agree with that. However, if you said less rotation(new RCM) every game would be better, then that would be more reasonable IMO.

Well, I guess the problem is that those not having been close to this game ever, or not really knowing the locker-room dynamics, often think that 'competition' as such is always a needed and fruitful thing in the life of a given team, which is definitely not a lively notion.
As 'competition' can also be harsh, counter-productive or even ill-fated (depending on the actual internal situation), it's much better to use the 'choice' word, at least from the angle of the team or the coach.
If one looks up the best teams in the history of the game, it becomes obvious that both on the local-club and international levels, those teams were the best and even most successful which had a very strong backbone of 8-9 regular players, often playing together without real competition and perhaps with max 2-3 complementary players, who were rotated but only when needed.

Usually rotations are valid and fully acceptable if they are matched to the opponent's strength and do not cause structural or tactical problems. But rotations and competitions are very different things or phenomenon in this game, because just as I mentioned earlier: the rotations should not result in uncertainties for the player on the bench, whereas most competitions as such usually affect the players inadvertently.

Every type of 'fighting' takes away important energy from players, which energy needs to be channeled externally and not internally...

If you rotate the three players, competitors for one position in almost every game, then eventually they would play far more conservatively than you'd like, as they'd be afraid of making mistakes, thus also not making the creative contribution and effort they can. They would want to keep their position and impress the coach, but in the end, end up doing neither as they would overthink, not play as freely as they should.

I definitely agree with this part.
 
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Vilarrubi

New member
A team like us shouldn't have a position constantly rotating, we should have a definite starter at RCM and good backup.. which we don't have at the moment.
 

El Flaco

Active member

Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
Good news. I just don't know why the club can't handle extensions without so much drama. Neymar, Messi, Rakitic...

Just imagine if we were any other club and how difficult it would be for them to keep players in.
 

dakt

Active member
Obviously we should care about the mental issues that players might have, but they should also consider that they are playing in the big club which is competing in three fronts and that a year without significant trophy won is considered as disaster.

In that sense, club like Barcelona, doesn't have much time to wait for a player to gather his senses and start performing on expected level. Hence why the wages are so high.

Congrats Raki on the new contract. I hope you'll give your best.
 

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