Ivan Rakitić
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snowy
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He's been getting the Barcaforum special treatment as well jajaja
Makes the signature neyh8 treatment seem like a Malibu spa treatment of lava shells, heated oil leaves and pure pearl body wrap
EdmondDantes
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Interesting.
Maybe the club have told him to stay put in case of an imminent transfer.
Valverde did him no favours giving him such privileges and immunity regardless of his poor performances. It even changed his personality completely as well. From hard-working and seemingly humble, to undeservedly entitled, arrogant and smug even.
Without that essence, coupled with his ageing physique, Rakitic got lost on the pitch. Even BBZ knows he can't call him a workhorse anymore on the evidence of last season.
We've been trying to sell him all summer and no suitors have been found. Only a swap in the Neymar deal and a player swap for Can from Juve, meaning he was an after thought for them as well. I'm pretty sure clubs have looked at his performances last season along with his attitude as well.
Now he's being pushed out, we have a surplus of midfielders, and Valverde seems like he couldn't care less given he's worried about his own tail first and foremost.
BBZ8800
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I am his defender.
But regarding his personality, he changed after winning a CL in 2015', and NOT during Valverde.
It happens to a lot of players and it will happen again and again to 100s of players whom we will have in the future.
I have personally started to notice some things in his behavior in qualifying NT matches AFTER 2015.
Till then, he was a hard worker, no showboating. He was quiet, humble and worked for a team.
After 2015, in an NT team, he started to run less, tried to dribble more, started to showboat and act like a star player of a team, Modric sometimes yelled at him when Rakitic picked complicated dribbles instead of simple passes.
In fact, he even "returned" to a more normal self in the last season or two.
He didn't play like a diva at a World cup at all, for example.
On the other hand, try to put yourself in his shoes:
You play for Barca and for 5 straight years, YOU are the most used midfielder out of all Barca's players (similar happened in Seville under Emery).
So, it indicates that you are good in the eyes of the coaches.
And who knows what EV had told him last year?
EV maybe said: Ivan, don't worry, you are always my first pick.
Maybe this is why Raki bought a hype and answered those questions regarding Frenkie in that way.
Also, since he became a starter in 2014-15:
1. he managed to kick Xavi out of a starting lineup
2. won a battle against a new signing Arda
3. won a battle against a new signing Gomes
4. won a battle against a new signing Denis
5. won a battle against a new signing Paulinho
6. won a battle against a new signing Coutinho
7. won a battle against a new signing Arthur (in the last season, at least)
8. won a battle against a new signing Vidal (in the last season, at least)
So, to some extent, can you blame him for being confident regarding his starting spot?
Barca bought Arda, Gomes, Denis, Paulinho, Vidal, Arthur and Coutinho in the last 4 seasons and Raki, under 2 different coaches WON the battle against all of them in terms: who will play more and be a starter.
Again, I have just said above that I have also spotted a change in his mentality after 2015 and that he slightly lost control due to being in a spotlight and winning all these trophies with Barca.
On the other hand, I can't shake a feeling that we still see double standards.
For example, if Arthur or Frenkie replied something similar, like: my spot is taken...
That people would reply: dawg, what a guy! He is so confident! Unreal! Speechless! He knows his worth and he is focused on winning all the trophies with Barca. That's winning mentality, we need more guys like him!
Isn't it true, to some extent?
When Gomes had confidence issues, people wanted to kick him right away from the club, since they didn't like him and that was a Game over for fans.
Imagine if Frenkie comes out tomorrow and say: I have some confidence and anxiety issues in this moment.
Would people say: fire this clown, he has no place in this club?
Or, more likely, would people say: He is young. The pressure was too high from media and fans. We need to help him with psychologists, a coach, and teammates need to help him. He will be fine in 2-3 Months and he will lead our team for the next 10 years.
Again, isn't it? Double standards...
Would you guys kick Frenkie or Arthur out of a club due to a bad interview or confidence issues? No.
Would you do the same with Raki, Gomes, Arda, Paulinho, Suarez? Hell yes...
Someone will reply: well, that is because a player XX is really good and a player XX is really bad.
Well, that is subjective.
Raki can't be that bad if he was the most used midfielder for 6 years in a row under Emery, Lucho and EV.
Anyway, I don't think that he will leave today.
Last Monday he was supposed to sign for Juve.
Last week, Psg wanted him.
He declined.
Then the reports said that he accepted a swap for Neymar and that Psg will give him double wages.
Today, it is Monday September 1st, and he is still here.
I think that he will stay.
And if he stays, at least one good thing will happen=we will have high wages and we won't have money to buy Neymar in the winter.
So, thank you, Ivan the Savior
But regarding his personality, he changed after winning a CL in 2015', and NOT during Valverde.
It happens to a lot of players and it will happen again and again to 100s of players whom we will have in the future.
I have personally started to notice some things in his behavior in qualifying NT matches AFTER 2015.
Till then, he was a hard worker, no showboating. He was quiet, humble and worked for a team.
After 2015, in an NT team, he started to run less, tried to dribble more, started to showboat and act like a star player of a team, Modric sometimes yelled at him when Rakitic picked complicated dribbles instead of simple passes.
In fact, he even "returned" to a more normal self in the last season or two.
He didn't play like a diva at a World cup at all, for example.
On the other hand, try to put yourself in his shoes:
You play for Barca and for 5 straight years, YOU are the most used midfielder out of all Barca's players (similar happened in Seville under Emery).
So, it indicates that you are good in the eyes of the coaches.
And who knows what EV had told him last year?
EV maybe said: Ivan, don't worry, you are always my first pick.
Maybe this is why Raki bought a hype and answered those questions regarding Frenkie in that way.
Also, since he became a starter in 2014-15:
1. he managed to kick Xavi out of a starting lineup
2. won a battle against a new signing Arda
3. won a battle against a new signing Gomes
4. won a battle against a new signing Denis
5. won a battle against a new signing Paulinho
6. won a battle against a new signing Coutinho
7. won a battle against a new signing Arthur (in the last season, at least)
8. won a battle against a new signing Vidal (in the last season, at least)
So, to some extent, can you blame him for being confident regarding his starting spot?
Barca bought Arda, Gomes, Denis, Paulinho, Vidal, Arthur and Coutinho in the last 4 seasons and Raki, under 2 different coaches WON the battle against all of them in terms: who will play more and be a starter.
Again, I have just said above that I have also spotted a change in his mentality after 2015 and that he slightly lost control due to being in a spotlight and winning all these trophies with Barca.
On the other hand, I can't shake a feeling that we still see double standards.
For example, if Arthur or Frenkie replied something similar, like: my spot is taken...
That people would reply: dawg, what a guy! He is so confident! Unreal! Speechless! He knows his worth and he is focused on winning all the trophies with Barca. That's winning mentality, we need more guys like him!
Isn't it true, to some extent?
When Gomes had confidence issues, people wanted to kick him right away from the club, since they didn't like him and that was a Game over for fans.
Imagine if Frenkie comes out tomorrow and say: I have some confidence and anxiety issues in this moment.
Would people say: fire this clown, he has no place in this club?
Or, more likely, would people say: He is young. The pressure was too high from media and fans. We need to help him with psychologists, a coach, and teammates need to help him. He will be fine in 2-3 Months and he will lead our team for the next 10 years.
Again, isn't it? Double standards...
Would you guys kick Frenkie or Arthur out of a club due to a bad interview or confidence issues? No.
Would you do the same with Raki, Gomes, Arda, Paulinho, Suarez? Hell yes...
Someone will reply: well, that is because a player XX is really good and a player XX is really bad.
Well, that is subjective.
Raki can't be that bad if he was the most used midfielder for 6 years in a row under Emery, Lucho and EV.
Anyway, I don't think that he will leave today.
Last Monday he was supposed to sign for Juve.
Last week, Psg wanted him.
He declined.
Then the reports said that he accepted a swap for Neymar and that Psg will give him double wages.
Today, it is Monday September 1st, and he is still here.
I think that he will stay.
And if he stays, at least one good thing will happen=we will have high wages and we won't have money to buy Neymar in the winter.
So, thank you, Ivan the Savior
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EdmondDantes
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MD reporting Bernardeschi is the one we'll likely get if the player swap happens.
MD reporting Bernardeschi is the one we'll likely get if the player swap happens.
I'll eat my hat if that happens.
Messigician
Senior Member
This tbh, swap will never happen
EdmondDantes
New member
Understatement of the year...
Sarcasm aside; decent post overall.
Just a few points:
He didn't oust Xavi out of the team, age (physical decline) did.
He didn't 'win' the battle against Arthur, Vidal, etc. He was favoured (privileged) most of the time since had it been any other player performing the way Rakitic did over the course of last season, said player would have long lost his spot in the team in a heartbeat.
Seniority/hierarchy is what's giving Sergi Roberto a spot in midfield (a position he practically hadn't played in in 4 seasons) despite his limited profile in possession. He's a Barcelona workhorse, who can still run and do the work of a workhorse Rakitic demonstrated he can no longer do last season.
MTL_Barca
Well-known member
I am his defender.
But regarding his personality, he changed after winning a CL in 2015', and NOT during Valverde.
It happens to a lot of players and it will happen again and again to 100s of players whom we will have in the future.
I have personally started to notice some things in his behavior in qualifying NT matches AFTER 2015.
Till then, he was a hard worker, no showboating. He was quiet, humble and worked for a team.
After 2015, in an NT team, he started to run less, tried to dribble more, started to showboat and act like a star player of a team, Modric sometimes yelled at him when Rakitic picked complicated dribbles instead of simple passes.
In fact, he even "returned" to a more normal self in the last season or two.
He didn't play like a diva at a World cup at all, for example.
On the other hand, try to put yourself in his shoes:
You play for Barca and for 5 straight years, YOU are the most used midfielder out of all Barca's players (similar happened in Seville under Emery).
So, it indicates that you are good in the eyes of the coaches.
And who knows what EV had told him last year?
EV maybe said: Ivan, don't worry, you are always my first pick.
Maybe this is why Raki bought a hype and answered those questions regarding Frenkie in that way.
Also, since he became a starter in 2014-15:
1. he managed to kick Xavi out of a starting lineup
2. won a battle against a new signing Arda
3. won a battle against a new signing Gomes
4. won a battle against a new signing Denis
5. won a battle against a new signing Paulinho
6. won a battle against a new signing Coutinho
7. won a battle against a new signing Arthur (in the last season, at least)
8. won a battle against a new signing Vidal (in the last season, at least)
So, to some extent, can you blame him for being confident regarding his starting spot?
Barca bought Arda, Gomes, Denis, Paulinho, Vidal, Arthur and Coutinho in the last 4 seasons and Raki, under 2 different coaches WON the battle against all of them in terms: who will play more and be a starter.
Again, I have just said above that I have also spotted a change in his mentality after 2015 and that he slightly lost control due to being in a spotlight and winning all these trophies with Barca.
On the other hand, I can't shake a feeling that we still see double standards.
For example, if Arthur or Frenkie replied something similar, like: my spot is taken...
That people would reply: dawg, what a guy! He is so confident! Unreal! Speechless! He knows his worth and he is focused on winning all the trophies with Barca. That's winning mentality, we need more guys like him!
Isn't it true, to some extent?
When Gomes had confidence issues, people wanted to kick him right away from the club, since they didn't like him and that was a Game over for fans.
Imagine if Frenkie comes out tomorrow and say: I have some confidence and anxiety issues in this moment.
Would people say: fire this clown, he has no place in this club?
Or, more likely, would people say: He is young. The pressure was too high from media and fans. We need to help him with psychologists, a coach, and teammates need to help him. He will be fine in 2-3 Months and he will lead our team for the next 10 years.
Again, isn't it? Double standards...
Would you guys kick Frenkie or Arthur out of a club due to a bad interview or confidence issues? No.
Would you do the same with Raki, Gomes, Arda, Paulinho, Suarez? Hell yes...
Someone will reply: well, that is because a player XX is really good and a player XX is really bad.
Well, that is subjective.
Raki can't be that bad if he was the most used midfielder for 6 years in a row under Emery, Lucho and EV.
Anyway, I don't think that he will leave today.
Last Monday he was supposed to sign for Juve.
Last week, Psg wanted him.
He declined.
Then the reports said that he accepted a swap for Neymar and that Psg will give him double wages.
Today, it is Monday September 1st, and he is still here.
I think that he will stay.
And if he stays, at least one good thing will happen=we will have high wages and we won't have money to buy Neymar in the winter.
So, thank you, Ivan the Savior
There is nothing wrong with being confident. But if a player thinks his spot is safe he should better play like it. The fact that someone like Rakitic 1. had a safe spot for so long and 2. was fully aware how safe it is just shows how weak Valverdes team management is and how poor the board is planning the squad.
I don't hate Rakitic but he should've NEVER gotten the status he had for years, simply because he wasn't good enough for long enough to earn this status. And thats a problem with not only him but multiple players that had/have to fear basically no competition. Maybe the people in charge finally realized that.
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EdmondDantes
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Agresti is saying the swap is off.
Clubs couldn't match the evaluation of their respective players.
Maybe that loan with an obligation Barca wanted last week is an option.
Agresti is saying the swap is off.
Clubs couldn't match the evaluation of their respective players.
Maybe that loan with an obligation Barca wanted last week is an option.
Raketa10
Senior Member
I really hope he leaves. I am afraid he became a proper drama queen whose decisions are made exclusively by his wife. This last cancellation of NT duties is the stupidest move I have ever seen from him. After being disliked by Barca fans during the last couple of months now he will get the same treatment from Croatian fans. Horrible decision!
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