Ivan Rakitić

Aryagorn

Improvin' Perfection!!
Yeah Rakitic is blameless here. It was that rat Dembele who refused to go to PSG that ruined the Neymar move.

Dembele is anything but a rat for refusing to move to that shithole. If any, he's more professional than the said prodigal son for choosing to fight it our for greatness at his beloved club; unlike someone who ran away coz he found himself in a 'shadow'
 

Messigician

Senior Member
Dembele is anything but a rat for refusing to move to that shithole. If any, he's more professional than the said prodigal son for choosing to fight it our for greatness at his beloved club; unlike someone who ran away coz he found himself in a 'shadow'

Dembele isn't here for greatness. He wants to sit on the bench and collect a fat pay cheque with no responsibility.

He has his French clique and friends protecting him. He knows at PSG he will be forced to perform as they no longer tolerate celebrity behaviour.

Mark my words he will be just as dreadful this season and the past 2 and he's already fkn injured.

Recurrent hamstring injuries impact his pace and acceleration long term right you guys do know this?
 

xXKonan

Senior Member
Yeah Rakitic is blameless here. It was that rat Dembele who refused to go to PSG that ruined the Neymar move.
Lol so Dembele is a rat for not going PSG so we can get back Neymar who it's his fucking fault in the first place for going there?

Dembele can be criticized for a number of things but this one? nah that ain't it chief. Neymar is at fault for pretty much everything, his fault that he decided to throw his career off a cliff because he was stupid enough to fall for that scam PSG was trying to sell him.

The only thing he was guaranteed was money, the rest of the stuff he was promised was nothing more than hopes and dreams. It's about the same as that Obvious scam email you get from that so-called "Nigerian Prince" claiming he is wealthy and needs money as his own money is being moved around and he can't access it yet. So he asks you for money and your bank account details so he can pay you back with his enormous wealth.

He made a lot of money which is a plus but on a Sporting level? he is further away from winning the CL again and a chance to win the Balon d'Or compared to his time here. Not only that he isn't protected by the refs in France as he was here and due to that he suffered a couple of bad foot injuries that left him injured for long stretches.
 

Messigician

Senior Member
Lol so Dembele is a rat for not going PSG so we can get back Neymar who it's his fucking fault in the first place for going there?

Dembele can be criticized for a number of things but this one? nah that ain't it chief. Neymar is at fault for pretty much everything, his fault that he decided to throw his career off a cliff because he was stupid enough to fall for that scam PSG was trying to sell him.

The only thing he was guaranteed was money, the rest of the stuff he was promised was nothing more than hopes and dreams. It's about the same as that Obvious scam email you get from that so-called "Nigerian Prince" claiming he is wealthy and needs money as his own money is being moved around and he can't access it yet. So he asks you for money and your bank account details so he can pay you back with his enormous wealth.

He made a lot of money which is a plus but on a Sporting level? he is further away from winning the CL again and a chance to win the Balon d'Or compared to his time here. Not only that he isn't protected by the refs in France as he was here and due to that he suffered a couple of bad foot injuries that left him injured for long stretches.

Let's be honest, while here he was never going to finish above Messi for the Ballon Dor, and it's not like he left to rivals he went to an irrelevant farmers league, while giving us a HUGE lump sum we absolutely squandered.

We are not celebrating two back to back trebles after smartly investing Neymar money. We're in the shits and he wants to help us. Reports even say Messi messaged him saying come back we need you to win champions league and that's what started the whole saga. He genuinely wanted to return to help the club, not for money, not for glory, but because he is a cule and wants to help us win it all.

I understand people defending Dembele for not wanting to join PSG if he was the ultimate professional, but he's not he's far from it.

Dembele is only here as he's paid a ton and is secure and comfortable knowing he has Messi and pals to bail the twam out when he can't even pass a ball.
 

xXKonan

Senior Member
Let's be honest, while here he was never going to finish above Messi for the Ballon Dor, and it's not like he left to rivals he went to an irrelevant farmers league, while giving us a HUGE lump sum we absolutely squandered.

We are not celebrating two back to back trebles after smartly investing Neymar money. We're in the shits and he wants to help us. Reports even say Messi messaged him saying come back we need you to win champions league and that's what started the whole saga. He genuinely wanted to return to help the club, not for money, not for glory, but because he is a cule and wants to help us win it all.

I understand people defending Dembele for not wanting to join PSG if he was the ultimate professional, but he's not he's far from it.

Dembele is only here as he's paid a ton and is secure and comfortable knowing he has Messi and pals to bail the twam out when he can't even pass a ball.
Yeah we achieved meme status with our embarrassing away defeats in the CL vs Roma and Liverpool but you know what the difference is?

Despite having a shitty manager, we still got further in the CL than Neymar and PSG have in that same time period. I'm going to cut to the chance and just say that Neymar is one stupid motherfucker.

There's no reason to try and keep wiping this dudes ass like he's some toddler for his mistakes. He's a grown man now, not a kid and he showed he wasn't smart enough to understand the ramifications to what he was going to do.

There's no reason for the likes of Dembele, Rakitic, Todibo, Semedo, Coutinho, etc should get shit by anyone for refusing to go to Paris so we can bail out Neymar. Doesn't fucking matter if we spent the money wrong, Those don't deserve to get shit on by fans because they didn't want to go to Paris so Neymar can get a Do over.

Neymar should put on his big boy pants, and deal with the fact he made a mistake and he has to live with it and work and hope maybe in the following summer we have the money to buy him instead of trying to forcefully use players as bargaining chips.

That's all there is to it, Neymar is a grown man and this serves as a lesson that decisions he makes can have massive consequences. He can't just undo it so easily either.
 

Aryagorn

Improvin' Perfection!!
Let's be honest, while here he was never going to finish above Messi for the Ballon Dor, and it's not like he left to rivals he went to an irrelevant farmers league, while giving us a HUGE lump sum we absolutely squandered.

We are not celebrating two back to back trebles after smartly investing Neymar money
. We're in the shits and he wants to help us. Reports even say Messi messaged him saying come back we need you to win champions league and that's what started the whole saga. He genuinely wanted to return to help the club, not for money, not for glory, but because he is a cule and wants to help us win it all.

I understand people defending Dembele for not wanting to join PSG if he was the ultimate professional, but he's not he's far from it.

Dembele is only here as he's paid a ton and is secure and comfortable knowing he has Messi and pals to bail the twam out when he can't even pass a ball.

We did squander the money - no denying; But Neymar himself has to share half of the blame for that stupidity! The fucker wanted his bonus and kept us in the dark till the last fucking minute - Somebody who wants to help the club wouldn't do that! Would have informed the club of his plans well in advance giving us the leverage to plan the replacement well; No, instead he had to push it till the last moment leaving us in the lurch with the extra burden of having to deal with the badge fastened to us that says we were rich and in dire need of a forward! Now come screw us royally!!

If at least he got the fuck outta here early, we would have still had to enough time to plan things well! Instead we had to overpay the injury prone youngster!!
 
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EdmondDantes

New member
He accepted a move to Juve, Inter and even Psg.

Psg collapsed due to Neymar.
Inter wanted him but didn't have money.
Juve wants everyone for free or for peanuts.

So, it is hard to tell that he didn't want to leave and that he wanted to hurt the club.

Fernando Polo at Mundo Deportivo published multiple articles stating Rakitic was angry and adamant he wanted to stay throughout the whole summer.

And he may as well have been quoting Rakitic himself verbatim because there's not a doubt he was talking to Rakitic and his brother directly when he wrote 'sources very close to the player said such and such' again and again.


Ivan was prepared to ride it out until the transfer window closed, and since no meaningful offers came in (bargaining chip for Neymar, Can swap in Juve's case, a player who didn't even make their Champions League squad) he stayed.


This whole thing must have been a bit of a reality check for him though, from thinking himself God 4 months ago with that 'that midfield spot is taken and occupied by me' to being benched by Valverde and pushed out by the suits upstairs here and unwanted by other European clubs.

Let's see what happens next, Rakitic with Valverde still here can still potentially be a bit of a rotten combination. It's almost as if Roma and Anfield never happened...
 
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MTL_Barca

Well-known member
For the last 2 seasons he was a safe starter and the coach loved him, he probably just didn't believe it when the club told him it's gonna get rough and then suddenly he was on the bench :lol:
 

Donatello

Active member
Dembele isn't here for greatness. He wants to sit on the bench and collect a fat pay cheque with no responsibility.

He has his French clique and friends protecting him. He knows at PSG he will be forced to perform as they no longer tolerate celebrity behaviour.

Mark my words he will be just as dreadful this season and the past 2 and he's already fkn injured.

Recurrent hamstring injuries impact his pace and acceleration long term right you guys do know this?

This guy has lost it.

Failure to sign Neymar has completely shattered this poor guy.

Condolences.
 

Donatello

Active member
Let's be honest, while here he was never going to finish above Messi for the Ballon Dor, and it's not like he left to rivals he went to an irrelevant farmers league, while giving us a HUGE lump sum we absolutely squandered.

We are not celebrating two back to back trebles after smartly investing Neymar money. We're in the shits and he wants to help us. Reports even say Messi messaged him saying come back we need you to win champions league and that's what started the whole saga. He genuinely wanted to return to help the club, not for money, not for glory, but because he is a cule and wants to help us win it all.

I understand people defending Dembele for not wanting to join PSG if he was the ultimate professional, but he's not he's far from it.

Dembele is only here as he's paid a ton and is secure and comfortable knowing he has Messi and pals to bail the twam out when he can't even pass a ball.

So much BS.

Really? Messi asked Neymar to come here and suddenly he said fuck you to his current team (who paid a kings ransome for him) and packed his bags. Wow, such a generous player. And also have some decency to add some reliable source confirming that.

If he is a cule, not interested in money, really wants to help Barca and all that BS, why is he still suing Barca? Fckin Double standards.
 
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BBZ8800

Senior Member
Fernando Polo at Mundo Deportivo published multiple articles stating Rakitic was angry and adamant he wanted to stay throughout the whole summer.

And he may as well have been quoting Rakitic himself verbatim because there's not a doubt he was talking to Rakitic and his brother directly when he wrote 'sources very close to the player said such and such' again and again.


Ivan was prepared to ride it out until the transfer window closed, and since no meaningful offers came in (bargaining chip for Neymar, Can swap in Juve's case, a player who didn't even make their Champions League squad) he stayed.


This whole thing must have been a bit of a reality check for him though, from thinking himself God 4 months ago with that 'that midfield spot is taken and occupied by me' to being benched by Valverde and pushed out by the suits upstairs here and unwanted by other European clubs.

Let's see what happens next, Rakitic with Valverde still here can still potentially be a bit of a rotten combination. It's almost as if Roma and Anfield never happened...

Ok, but why do you mention this "thinking himself as a God"?

If we are honest, let's check our team:
1. Messi thinks that he is a God. He runs when he wants. He sulks when he wants. He plays on a position which he wants. He is asking the board to sign Neymar. He is deciding whether a coach will go or not. Doesn't want to get rested, doesn't listen to coaches with a long term plans of rotations to keep him fresh in spring.
2. Suarez thinks he is a God. He also doesn't want to rest. Yells at everyone. A part of Club de Amigos. Asked for a fkng Neymar. Wanted a coach to stay, since they don't have to run too much on training grounds.
3. Busquets? Lol. He probably think that he is a walking God among humans. The only remaining part of a Xavi-Iniesta-Busi trio. Rarely says that he played bad. Doing tons of mistakes on a field. Walking and jogging, playing half arsed all the time.
4. Pique, similar.
5. Umtiti, a weird dude. Quite young, but already in 2018 started to act like a God when he wanted a new contract. Probably thinks that he is the best defender in the world.

I mean, your posts sound as if Raki is the only guy doing this, while majority of our older players are the same.
They don't run anymore. They play half arsed. They run when they want, they walk when they want.
They have an insane wages, they want to play all the time. They DO play all the time.
They act as living legends, and as if fans should be grateful for being able to watch and witness their greatness every weekend.

Name one older player who is here for 5 years or longer and who doesn't act like an entitled asshole.

Again, I have wrote before, we are paying the price of our success in the last decade.
In the past, we have never been successful for that long.
And it was easy to make a generation change.

In late 90s, we only won 2 La Ligas, it was easy to try with new players and turn the page.
In early 00s, we haven't won anything, it was easy to sell everyone and hire Rijkaard, Ronnie, Etoo and Deco.
They won 2 La ligas and 1 CL in 5 years, which is nice, but nowhere near Messi's prime years.
So, it was easier to get rid of Rijkaard and his team and build a new, Pep's team.
Ronnie, Deco, Guily, Larssson, Edmilson, Gio were old, drained and LESS motivated as in 2003-2004, when we started a cycle.

So, again, in 2003 or 2004, we started a cycle with Rijkaard and a core were young, hungry, motivated players like:
2004:
Ronnie 24
Etoo 23 (or 2-3 years older since he lied with age)
Xavi 24
Iniesta 20
Puyol 26
Valdes 22
Marquez 25

And the oldest starters were:
Gio 29
Edmilson 28
Guily 28
Belletti 28
Deco 27

So, we turned the page and majority of our team were youngsters aged 23-24 like Ronnie, Etoo, Xavi.
NOBODY was older than 29 years.
So, we started a cycle with nobody aged 30.

Then, of course that this team who had all required ingredients (a good president, a good sporting director, a good coach, some La Masia gems, and a lot of good players bought aged 23-28)=started a new cycle.
Remember, only one player (Deco) in that team had 1 CL title.
Of course that our players were hungry and that they were giving 120%.

What happened after 4-5 years?
Ronnie turned 28 and lost motivation after winning CLs and Ballon D Ors.
Deco was already 31.
Etoo was almost 30 in real age.
Xavi 28.
Edmilson 32.
Guily 32.
Belletti 32.
Gio 33.

So, our team aged, and lots motivation.
And of course that we turned into shit.

Then Pep came and did the same thing which Rijkaard did:
Sold all drained superstars from a former era and built a new young team.
We lost: Ronnie 28, Etoo, 30-ish, Deco 31, Edmilson 32, Guily 32, Henry 33 left soon, Thuram 36, Zambrotta 31.

And Pep has built a new team around young Iniesta 24, Busi 21, Messi 22, Pique 22, Pedro 21.

And now, 10 years later, for the first time in our history, we have a team which dominated for 10 or 15 years.
And it is hard to get rid of those legends. We never had these problems in the past.
I mean, Messi is still good, but imagine problems in 2-3 years when a moment will come that he won't be good enough anymore to be a starter (and that moment will come one day), and he will still be on 100M gross wages.
What will we do then? How can you bench Messi?
How can you tell him?= you are not good enough anymore. And some random kid should play instead of you.

The same is already happening with Raki, Suarez, Busi, soon with Alba, Pique.

I know that you guys hate only EV, but imo, our team was NEVER in problems as today:
1. we never had THIS MANY old, unmotivated players.
LA Masia is dry.
And new kids are mostly bad (Dembele, Malcom, Semedo), except Frenkie and maybe Arthur.

Also, just look at Liverpool and City.
Pep and Klopp didn't build their new teams around 30 years old drained superstars.
But around 23-26 years old players, like Rijkaard in 2003 and Pep in 2008.

So, I don't think that a team will move forward when a cancer Raki will leave or when EV will leav, but when we will truly turn the page and start to build a new team.
But for that, we will need a new president, a new sporting director and a new coach.
Since a current board will either buy a shit frauds like Neymar for 200M, or horrible youngsters like Dembele, Malcom, Denis, Gomes, Paco and similar.

This board can't do right anything.

For the end of a post, regarding motivation: remember our team of zombies losing to Juve, Roma, Liverpool in the last 3 years.
Without any motivation or a spark.

Then go back and take a look at body language, emotions, happiness of our team in 2006 when we weren't a team of complacent museum grannies.
Can you still see a similar spark in the eyes of Messi, Suarez, Busquets, Rakitic today? I can't:
Look at a pure, childish, sincere happiness after a winning goal:
 

Andresito

Senior Member
Staff member
Ok, but why do you mention this "thinking himself as a God"?

If we are honest, let's check our team:
1. Messi thinks that he is a God. He runs when he wants. He sulks when he wants. He plays on a position which he wants. He is asking the board to sign Neymar. He is deciding whether a coach will go or not. Doesn't want to get rested, doesn't listen to coaches with a long term plans of rotations to keep him fresh in spring.

Well Messi is a God among the rest of the players.

Some of what you said are true and some most probably not, the bold text is obviously just media stirring up shit and describing Messi as a dictator.
Every player wants to play. Messi rested plenty last season.
 

bismp

Well-known member
The guy has completely lost it.

Yeah Messi has every right to think he is a god.He is at worst a top 3 player of all time,if not THE goat.

He is BY FAR the greatest and most successful player in club history.

He is BY FAR the biggest reason why our club has dominated Spain and Europe the past 11 years.

And today,aged 32,he is STILL the best player in the world,doing things year after year,that other great players couldn’t do once in their careers.

Plus he rested quite a lot last year,so even that argument isn’t valid anymore.
 

Aryagorn

Improvin' Perfection!!
:lol: people comparing Rakitic to Leo and Modric to CR7; then defending Rakitic's entitlement mentality by comparing him to Pique; Busi; Suarez and even Leo of all the people for crying out loud :facepalm:

Some people can go to any extent to stir shit; and write pages of text if questioned :rolleyes:
 
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Lapi

Member
Name one older player who is here for 5 years or longer and who doesn't act like an entitled asshole.

I guess:
Xavi, Iniesta, Alves, Mascherano but you can also mention Ter Stegen, Vermalen, etc.

And it is hard to get rid of those legends. We never had these problems in the past.
I mean, Messi is still good, but imagine problems in 2-3 years when a moment will come that he won't be good enough anymore to be a starter (and that moment will come one day), and he will still be on 100M gross wages.

Why do you worry so much about wages? Specially for Messi, who comparatively deserves much more if you know what he has done for the club.

These murmurs about each and every single gold-coin belonging to the club, reminds me of the average and elderly grass-cutter guy, who has never ever stepped into any office of the club, but while cutting the grass he always thinks and talks about the club's finances, into which he has no actual insight whatsoever.

Worry about the decline of the actual stylistic features, the horrible coach, this season, etc. but always taking finances as a weapon against players is unwanted and not fair.
Messi deserves whatever he will get and deserves nothing else but your admiration.

You speak about the club's history, as if you had any knowledge about finances during those years. Because you don't and apart from the presidents and accountants nobody has.
So keep it simple man, don't worry about something that you know little to nothing about.
 

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