Jack Wilshere

[Plip]

Oh come on now.

It's obviously valid and sound reasoning that in order to be better or even equally as good, such players have to both perform and prove themselves in the highest league possible. As far as I know, none of the aforementioned are regulars in our first team nor have they proven anything yet (Even though, Thiago might make a case of himself the coming season).

 

[USWAY]

THIS.

Undoubtedly the potential's there, but they are no way better than young Jack is.

To actually be better, they'd need to perform on his level week in week out, which they're obviously not doing - not yet at least.

They probably could. Like Pep said, there's not as much pressure to win trophies so he's able to play. Just look how much many people on this board flipped out at the thought of Thiago being the third creative midfielder, not even a starter, and he's 20. I don't think they're as good as Jack(Thiago is) because I'm a huge fan of him, but I bet Sergi Roberto and maybe Romeu could be on the first team at many other clubs right now. I think there's a reason players clubs are willing to pay 8 mil for Jeffren, who hasn't played at all in the La liga, yet we pay 2+2 for Kiko Femenia, who has much more La Liga experience and is 3 years younger.

 

[Yugi]

Oh come on now.

It's obviously valid and sound reasoning that in order to be better or even equally as good, such players have to both perform and prove themselves in the highest league possible. As far as I know, none of the aforementioned are regulars in our first team nor have they proven anything yet (Even though, Thiago might make a case of himself the coming season).

yeah true wilshere is wonderboy for sure and he caused us many many troubles but I believe if thiago or bobby got the time they need in the first team they would be considered better, or if they were playing every week for Arsenal at least

//edit: and also, Pep said it ===>
in Pep we trust

 

[Plip]

They probably could. Like Pep said, there's not as much pressure to win trophies so he's able to play. Just look how much many people on this board flipped out at the thought of Thiago being the third creative midfielder, not even a starter, and he's 20. I don't think they're as good as Jack(Thiago is) because I'm a huge fan of him, but I bet Sergi Roberto and maybe Romeu could be on the first team at many other clubs right now. I think there's a reason players clubs are willing to pay 8 mil for Jeffren, who hasn't played at all in the La liga, yet we pay 2+2 for Kiko Femenia, who has much more La Liga experience and is 3 years younger.

I've already said that the talent is obviously there, so talent-wise they could probably be starters for some of the teams out there. Yet, there's much more than talent involved to be able to perform weekly in tough games. You cannot forget leave out aspects such as mentality, psychology and physicality of the play. What remains, tho, is that as of current Jack is definitely the better player.

yeah true wilshere is wonderboy for sure and he caused us many many troubles but I believe if thiago or bobby got the time they need in the first team they would be considered better, or if they were playing every week for Arsenal at least

//edit: and also, Pep said it ===>
in Pep we trust

I never denied that they COULD become better with the experience gained, but that's mere speculation. I was talking about how it is as of this moment, instead of discussing future possibilities of what might happen.

 

[barcaboy15]

Who is better than him?........................

At the moment, and honestly speaking - only Thiago from our B team. As the others are YET to prove their talent / potential.
But in my humble opinion, many of them have the potential to be far better than him and they will be.

But that is my point (and what Guardiola said), as Arsenal are so much weaker than Barcelona players like Wilshere, Thiago, Sergi Roberto, Ramsey etc (ie young players with high potential) can break into the first team earlier and prove themselves earlier whereas at Barcelona with Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Mascherano, Affelay, Keita that is not so possible.

Wilshere is vastly over-rated because he is English (hey, I'm English and I can still admit it).

Anyway, I dislike him because he is a dumb, taxi driver-assualting little chav cunt.
To put it lightly

 

[USWAY]

I've already said that the talent is obviously there, so talent-wise they could probably be starters for some of the teams out there. Yet, there's much more than talent involved to be able to perform weekly in tough games. You cannot forget leave out aspects such as mentality, psychology and physicality of the play. What remains, tho, is that as of current Jack is definitely the better player.

Yes, and I never said Wilshire wasn't better, it's just not a fair measuring stick. Look at his competition, look at Thiago's, Roberto's, and Espinosa's. Look at his fans expectations, look at theirs. Like I said, people flipped out at the thought of Thiago being the first option of the bench, while there were PL teams salivating at the thought Barca would be stupid enough to sell the kid. There's not much these guys can show from the standpoint of being able to play week in and week out if they're not afforded the chance.

But my point was, like Pep said, Barcelona has players who could do the same thing Wilshire is doing right now.

 

[barcaboy15]

Yes, and I never said Wilshire wasn't better, it's just not a fair measuring stick. Look at his competition, look at Thiago's, Roberto's, and Espinosa's. Look at his fans expectations, look at theirs. Like I said, people flipped out at the thought of Thiago being the first option of the bench, while there were PL teams salivating at the thought Barca would be stupid enough to sell the kid. There's not much these guys can show from the standpoint of being able to play week in and week out if they're not afforded the chance.

But my point was, like Pep said, Barcelona has players who could do the same thing Wilshire is doing right now.

 

[Bergkamp10]

But my point was, like Pep said, Barcelona has players who could do the same thing Wilshire is doing right now.

Then why are Barcelona signing Fabregas?

Wilshere is vastly over-rated because he is English (hey, I'm English and I can still admit it).

He's not. I watch him week in week out and he's exceptional. Obviously Liam Brady is way before my time but my dad, grandad and older Arsenal fans around me all say that Wilshere is basically Brady reincarnated and he's arguably Arsenal's best player of all time just behind Henry.

I think people are quick to claim English players are overrated because lots of people hate the English and English people have grown to hate the players because they're such pricks.

 

[Barcafan 2304]

Sergi Roberto (19), Romeu (19), Rafinha (18), Espinosa (18) are NOT better than Jack. They might have a future.. do you remember a certain Mexican player that plays for Spurs'?

I'd go along with that. Dangerous to presume that all of these guys will be exceptional. Sure, they have the potential and we have already seen what kind of potential the likes of Thiago has but until they are in the first team and proving it, we can't say for sure what impact they will have. To be fair, Wilshere has proved he is a good player in playing regularly for Arsenal and getting into the England set-up.

 

[DucdeOrléans]

What the hell are you talking about vivamanu? You have not even seen a single one of them, I bet.

Rafinha is a hell of a player. Bigger talent than Thiago and that says it all (Mazinho even admitted that).

Give Rafinha 2-3 years and he will be better than Wilshere. Typical British hype.

 

[Bergkamp10]

What the hell are you talking about vivamanu? You have not even seen a single one of them, I bet.

Rafinha is a hell of a player. Bigger talent than Thiago and that says it all (Mazinho even admitted that).

Give Rafinha 2-3 years and he will be better than Wilshere. Typical British hype.

yeah sorry because they're from Spain they MUST be better. I haven't said anything bad about them, just said that if they're as good as you claim they are then why are Barca buying Cesc?

 

[DucdeOrléans]

wtf is vivamanu?

yeah sorry because they're from Spain they MUST be better.

Can't remember his name, viva something (does not matter really).

Rafinha will be a beast mark my words. I have not said that they will be better than Wilshere just a ridicules statement from viva something, as he probably has not even seen a single one of them...

 

[Bergkamp10]

Can't remember his name, viva something (does not matter really).

Rafinha will be a beast mark my words. I have not said that they will be better than Wilshere just a ridicules statement from viva something, as he probably has not even seen a single one of them...

sorry, just realised what you've meant..i'm having a slow day....ignore me.

 

[DucdeOrléans]

No problem.

Rafinha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmNyGniOjx0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHKq7NGzLIg&feature=related

 

[USWAY]

Then why are Barcelona signing Fabregas?

I don't know. I'm not the manager. I think Pep said "there is less pressure to win titles" for Wilshire so he plays. I'm guessing Pep chooses to try to pursue Fabregas because Thiago is still young and he'd rather ease him in than throw him into the fire, because Barca are competing for the treble every year. Plus because he has Barca DNA blah, blah. I doubt if we don't get Fabregas we'll go after another mid.

I personally believe Thiago could be doing the same thing Wilshire is doing right now. The others, not so much but all Pep's saying is they have the talent to.

Don't think Wilshire is overrated or anything. I'm just pointing out these players are in two totally different situations.