Joan Laporta

[serghei]

La Masia is central to the greatness of this club. Budget is something the previous board fucked up due to incompetence. It's a bad inheritance, a road block that slows things down a lot. We'll get there eventually, but it will take 5-8 years when it could have been done in 2-3 if the finances wouldn't have been shot to pieces.

But make no mistake, the low budget and financial problems is a huge burden to carry. Huge imo.

 

[JamDav1982]

La Masia is central to the greatness of this club. Budget is something the previous president fucked up. It's a bad inheritance, a road block that slows things down a lot.

It is and it needs to be firing and it was corrected 10 or so years and ago and club getting benefits of it now.

Always has been case Barca been adding more talent through young players/la Masia and B team than many spending hundreds of millions.

Could see the players Barca had were better than those spending that big.

Folk will choose narratives depending on results.

Barca win nothing and it will be 1 league win in 4 and no cups, european success under Laporta or others will choose players to put blame on and give Laporta and chosen players credit if win.

There are smaller margins than it being that black and white.

Players there when came in.. La Masia being best in world again and solid signings all contributed and also the coach knitting it all together.

The way they identified that they made mistakes with likes of Xavi and Gundogan were quickly rectified is impressive also and they have been proven 100% correct.

 

[serghei]

Folk will choose narratives depending on results.

Barca win nothing and it will be 1 league win in 4 and no cups, european success under Laporta or others will choose players to put blame on and give Laporta and chosen players credit if lose.

There are smaller margins than it being that black and white.

Except, for me, the expectations are always tied to the situation of the club. Others can demand the moon and the stars for all I care, I can't do that when the club has to go through an entire saga of legal fights only to temporary register Dani Olmo.

 

[JamDav1982]

Except, for me, the expectations are always tied to the situation of the club. Others can demand the moon and the stars for all I care, I can't do that when the club has to go through an entire saga of legal fights only to temporary register Dani Olmo.

The situation was Barca had one of best squads in Europe and ability to compete with anyone without needing years or 100s on millions.

Xavi got sacked for having same negative thoughts on situation.

 

[serghei]

The situation was Barca had one of best squads in Europe and ability to compete with anyone without needing years or 100s on millions.

I completely disagree with that.

Take experience at the top. How are complete rookies going to achieve that unless by years passing, losses accumulating, and learning from failures? By what miracle?

What you ideally want is a transition similar to the one from Rijkaard Barcelona to Pep Barcelona. Players like Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, accumulating experience at the top under a great generation, then using that experience, and being the key members of another great generation.

To do that, means to be able to sign players like Ronaldinho, Deco, Dani Alves, Villa, Henry, consistently. Almost every summer. Today, that would mean hundreds of millions.

 

[JamDav1982]

I completely disagree with that.

Well this season is proving you wrong as did Xavis title.

Disgaree if you like.

 

[Windhook]

Foremost for me as measure of success on Laporta term is to get the club out of the financial mess. Once we're sustainable, results will follow. Unless we revert back to some populists that promise "the moon and the stars".

Thus said I think Flick's leadership is out of ordinary trajectory for a struggling club.

 

[jamrock]

Laporta W

Laporta will get credit because he's going to leave the club in a significantly better place than he found it.

The players and manager will get blamed if they don't win, because they have all the tools to win.

 

[JamDav1982]

Laporta W

Laporta will get credit because he's going to leave the club in a significantly better place than he found it.

The players and manager will get blamed if they don't win, because they have all the tools to win.

Be impossible not to leave it in better place.

Laporta cant only get credit when win and absolve if lose.. makes no sense.

He gets credit for what those players do then works same way if they fail. It is a joint effort.

Will fully deserve credit for sacking Xavi and putting Flick in charge. The presidents live and die by results on pitch.

 

[serghei]

Well this season is proving you wrong as did Xavis title.

Disgaree if you like.

How is it proving me wrong exactly? Without big signings made due to levers under Xavi, like Raphinha, Kounde, Lewandowski, the team today would be half of what it is.

Even De Jong who you like so much is a big money signing from Bartomeu era. The only good inheritance really.

 

[JamDav1982]

How is it proving me wrong exactly? Without big signings made due to levers under Xavi, like Raphinha, Kounde, Lewandowski, the team today would be half of what it is.

Even De Jong who you like so much is a big money signing from Bartomeu era. The only good inheritance really.

You literally were saying same thing as Xavi last season if not worse.

Barca players were over rated, too young and years away from being age they could win and Barca couldnt compete without spending 100s of millions.

De Jong only good inheritance?

Aye Pedri is shite... Araujo also... players that came through a corrected La Masia also... Balde, Cubarsi, Gavi, Casado, Yamal and others that left like Nico etc.

 

[serghei]

You literally were saying same thing as Xavi last season if not worse.

Barca players were over rated, too young and years away from being age they could win and Barca couldnt compete without spending 100s of millions.

No, you are under some belief that A without B is better than A + B. Your argument seems to be that you don't really need a big budget because we have La Masia. Well, my argument is that La Masia + a big budget would have us as no1 in Europe. Pretty much like during Pep era.

It's really a stupid argument. Money in current football is a huge advantage. Just because we did so well without spending much it doesn't mean that we wouldn't be better off today with some 2-3 top signings.

 

[JamDav1982]

No, you are under some belief that A without B is better than A + B. Your argument seems to be that you don't really need a big budget because we have La Masia. Well, my argument is that La Masia + a big budget would have us as no1 in Europe. Pretty much like during Pep era.

Word soup that mkes no sense.

You were literally arguing a year ago all the negative arguments Xavi got sacked for if not worse.

Saying years away forn young players being ready to win.. and need huge money to compete.

This season is proving it nonsense as was said.

 

[serghei]

Word soup that mkes no sense.

You were literally arguing a year ago all the negative arguments Xavi got sacked for if not worse.

This season is proving it nonsense as was said.

What are you talking about? Xavi's arguments were all valid. His mistake was not accepting the reality, which reality shows we can't really afford the best players because of poor finances. Doesn't mean in the slightest that transfers are not needed to improve the team.

 

[JamDav1982]

What are you talking about? Xavi's arguments were all valid. His mistake was not accepting the reality, which reality shows we can't really afford the best players because of poor finances. Doesn't mean in the slightest that transfers are not needed to improve the team.

Haha no Xavis argument were not valid hence why he got sacked and Flick is proving him wrong.

No one has ever claimed 'transfers cant improve team'

What was argued that the quality of squad was far higher than some made out and these young players were ready now and didnt have to be 'in mid 20s'.

Was said time and agains the players coming through and developing were worth more than just about any other club were taking in for all that money.

Xavi is an excuse driven negative lad who got punted for it and proven wrong.