Jose Mourinho

[DucdeOrléans]

Wow. Mou the guy who poked tito in the eye like a coward?

Nothing honourable about this snake

What to expect from a Gunners fan after Mourinho owned Wenger for years during his England tenure? Wenger is hardly a saint himself, is he?

Sure, that episode was nothing to be proud of and Mourinho has apologized for this whenever asked and him and Tito shorted it out between themselves and since then Tito has not uttered a bad word towards Mourinho. That's not something the media will tell you. Stuff like that can happen during very heated moments. We have seen it time and time again. From players, presidents to managers.

Tito slapped Mourinho afterwards as well. That's neither something to be proud of regardless of Mourinho starting the mess.

Mourinho also did this:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20130410/real-madrid-fan-jose-mourinho/

Plenty of other stories/statements from players/presidents/managers at all his former clubs prove the exact opposite. There is a reason why the guy is loved at all his former clubs. By fans, players and presidents alike.

Let us ask Sir Alex what he thinks about Mourinho, shall we? Talking about other well-respected and hugely successful managers.

 

[barcanuck]

When Mou has a problem with you he says he benches you because another player is playing better. Lopez is playing out of his league right now BUT does that make him a legend like Iker because he stopped more shots than Iker while Iker was injured?

It's all Mou trying to leave the club in ruins when he leaves, that's what he always does. Nothing to do with Lopez vs Iker performance.

 

[Deco 20]

Why am I being deluded? For stating the facts and for not falling for all the Mourinho bashing here that is mostly limited to my fellow Barcelona fans for very obvious reasons? My opinion is shared by many madridistas in Spain. The point is that being a legend does not equal to immunity.

Now when it is clear that Mourinho is leaving the mess that is RM, it is much easier to blame him for everything when it was clear all season long that Casillas was the stitch and the destructive part in the conflict. Purely for selfish reasons. No other such conflict has ever taken during Mourinho's hugely successful managerial career.

A club legend and one of the most respected football personalities (Zanetti) just confirmed that more or less. Are you going to accuse him of "dark ants" as well?

Can't you see that Mourinho has tried to change the structures of a failed organization/system that is RM? Obviously figures such as Valdano who represented that rotten culture were not going to like those changes since he has been well-known for underlying the role of the manager. This goes far back in time than just Mourinho's tenure. All the RM managers, apart from Mourinho (only due to his immense credentials and personality) have been mere puppets without the acquired influence to create stability at RM.

Mourinho was the only manager, since Del Bosque who managed to pull RM in some kind of cohesive direction. Tried to change the rotten aspects at the club despite immense pressure from the xenophobic Spanish media and figures such as Valdano who constantly tried to undermine Mourinho.

IIRC Mou had a fallout with Balotelli, and he's had several with other managers before not to mention his relationship with Abramovitch and what he did to Anders Frisk and Tito. You seem to have forgotten the reason why Iker and Mou clashed in the first place. It wasn't because Iker didn't get enough playing time (he'd been an undisputed starter), it was because Mourinho wanted to conquer by division while Iker wanted things to calm down. In the end Iker is the club captain and he has to think of the well-being and image of the club. He's got every right to refuse to criticize refs or to have friends in other teams.

Re the Zanetti quote: everyone has good and bad sides, and even 'good' persons often support 'sick' or 'evil' men. It's not that uncommon.

Let's face it. Iker has not performed particularly well while López has sealed his place. Deservedly so. Iker has simply not played well enough to say that he is untouchable.

Everyone in the squad tired or JM? You mean only this season after it was known that he would be gone and that he did not want to waste his time in a destructive environment and in country where even his children where insulted for simply being the children of Mourinho.

In the first two seasons the RM players where willing to give everything for him. His results were great and he improved the team in every single department especially on the European scene which has been the priority of RM for 10 straight years. He turned them from European nobodies to 3 times straight CL-semifinal participants and no sane person can argue against such achievements.

All during an era where we had complete hegemony until he arrived.

Even if we assume that Mourinho is the evil man that most Barcelona fans here yell (as expected BTW) then there is no way that Iker is the innocent "saint" that you try to pull him off as. No way. Especially not since it is well-known that was the stitch all season long.

Great captain, ah?

We had complete hedgemony for the 2 seasons before he came? That's arguable, but surely you realize that Mou was given much more power, time and resources than any other manager Madrid has had lately. Pellegrini managed to get more league points in his season in charge of the club than Mou in his first, and this despite Cristiano being injured for a large part of the season and Pellegrini being treated by the press in a way which makes Mou's "war" with the media look like child's play.

 

[XaviMessiGirl]

IIRC Mou had a fallout with Balotelli

To be fair, that's not hard for someone to do

 

[enzza]

What is it with the simplistic Mourinho bashing? He has improved RM greatly looking at the overall picture. Nobody can deny that. Before his appointment RM were nobodies in European football. 3 seasons later and they have managed to qualify for 3 straight CL-semifinals.

He ended the complete hegemony of our club - at least to some short. More than most fans would like to admit.

He won the league of records last season playing brilliant football along the way and beating both the goalscoring and point record.
He has managed to win 1 CDR final and has qualified for another in the span of 3 years. Moreover he won 1 Spanish Supercup.

In general he has challenged the authorities at a club that was/is world famous for changing/firing managers at will and for being a club that never gave the full authority to the manager and this staff as it should be.

He made many brave and correct choices, such as letting both Raúl and Guti go. Now he is doing the same with Iker who is only going to get worse and whose actions have been destructive for the team all season long, to say the least.

Let's think about this for a second. Let's say that Valdés acted in the same way as Iker has. Would we support him or Tito? I would certainly take the side of the manager and the well-being of the team. Especially if goalkeeper x had outperformed Valdés, which is the case of López. No sane person can argue that López should be replaced due to his performances.

Strangely enough such conflicts where bound to happen at RM, which is a club that is, as previously mentioned, world famous for not giving the sufficient authority to the manager - to the great dismiss of the majority of madridistas for ages and something which has been the main cause for the instability in the club.

Mourinho has tried to change this but without the complete success. His first hurdle was Valdano but he cannot win the most important battle against the main "enemy" which is the Spanish press that lives and breathes for the mess they create in RM. It's not in their interest to have a stable club with the same manager. The dismiss of Mourinho, is in my eyes, only going to hurt RM on the long run so I understand the cheering among my fellow fans for a possible JM exit. JM is the best manager that they could have right now and is the only one with the credentials, abilities and charisma to change the institutional mess that is RM.

Notice how such conflicts rarely happened at his former clubs. Not in Porto, not in Chelsea (apart from the one he had with Abramovich - the whole Shevchenko affair, nor at Inter. All clubs he has been extremely successful at, to say the least, and all are not the absolute "top clubs". Everyone at those clubs from the players he managed to the presidents/owners he worked under are full of praise for him. Even Abramovich who was the man who sacked Mourinho a few years ago have begged him to return and offered him a economical carte blanche. Says a lot about him as a manager.

The English/British culture, in terms of managing a football club, is best suited for a type as Mourinho and there is no wonder that he has enjoyed his time there the most. Not to mention the English media who loves such characters and not like the Spanish one who loves nothing more than to bash characters such as Mourinho.

Also who in the world can blame him for the statements he gave today? All are absolutely spot on. If he made contradictory statements before/statements that were directly wrong, it was all done for the best interests of his team, club and himself. Something Zanetti just recently clarified when he was interviewed by Marca.

But obviously it's easier for the crowd to talk about his "dark ants" and other nonsense.

At the end of the day then Mourinho will have the last laugh simply because no other manager can beat his achievements and no other manager has transformed clubs from being largely "losers" to winners.

For that alone he deserves more respect.

 

[Deco 20]

To be fair, that's not hard for someone to do

Well Mancini never did at Inter, and also handled it much better at City.

PS: how do we do to get that del bosque pic as a smiley? It has to be done

 

[DucdeOrléans]

IIRC Mou had a fallout with Balotelli, and he's had several with other managers before not to mention his relationship with Abramovitch and what he did to Anders Frisk and Tito. You seem to have forgotten the reason why Iker and Mou clashed in the first place. It wasn't because Iker didn't get enough playing time (he'd been an undisputed starter), it was because Mourinho wanted to conquer by division while Iker wanted things to calm down. In the end Iker is the club captain and he has to think of the well-being and image of the club. He's got every right to refuse to criticize refs or to have friends in other teams.

Re the Zanetti quote: everyone has good and bad sides, and even 'good' persons often support 'sick' or 'evil' men. It's not that uncommon.




We had complete hedgemony for the 2 seasons before he came? That's arguable, but surely you realize that Mou was given much more power, time and resources than any other manager Madrid has had lately. Pellegrini managed to get more league points in his season in charge of the club than Mou in his first, and this despite Cristiano being injured for a large part of the season and Pellegrini being treated by the press in a way which makes Mou's "war" with the media look like child's play.

So a fallout with the clown Balotelli is suddenly a bad thing? Really? Do you even know what really happened between him and Balotelli? Every sane manager/person would take Mourinho's side. Surprise, surprise, most actually did at Inter. He won a treble with them so they are hardly in a position to complain? Just ask the Inter fans whether they want Mourinho back.

Also it does not seem that Mourinho has any ill-wishes for Balotelli seeing this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy3I8QzpvfU

I already mentioned Abrahomivch. Come on, are you going to use that against Mourinho when Abramovich was clearly to blame trying to outperform Pérez in terms of authority and undermining the managerial role? Do I need to mention the fact that the same Abramovich is now begging Mourinho for a return and giving him an economical carte blanche? And that he is still the far most popular person in and around Chelsea?

The Tito episode was unfortunate and nobody here is going to defend that. At least not me. But Tito did slap Mourinho in the face as well. No matter how you look at it, it was bad as well and hence both initially received a ban - although Mourinho's ban should have been bigger. Anyway it never materialized due to the amateurish/corrupt Spanish Football Federation.

Frisk? I don't think that he can be blamed for that. High pressure/using the media for your own gain/your club/team is nothing new and a professional/top official should be prepared for that.

You do imagine how many death threats Mourinho and other top managers have received? Or other unfortunate episodes?

LOL. Iker only lost his place after a period of really bad performances. Even Marca and AS acknowledged that at that time. Iker also lost the trust, understandably so, after being found out to be the stitch who went to the media to complain/spread rumors/undermine the team/manager publicly instead of keeping it inside the 4 walls. All for selfish reasons alone. Despite knowing fully well that this would cause more harm than do good. Not only for him and Mourinho but for ALL and the whole team. Later Mourinho also publicly started to make comments. Nothing unexpected given Mourinho's strong personality and him not accepting such behavior. Understandably so again.

Zanetti or not, Mourinho is praised by virtually EVERYBODY at ALL his former clubs. This says it all really. Sir Alex also comes to mind and other well-respected personalities in the game. Zanetti is just one of them.

Arguably? Mourinho arrived the year after us winning 6 titles out of 6 possible during a calendar year. Something that is not going to be equaled for a long time, I presume. Unless FCBM does it this year. Would not put it past them.

LOL. Pellegrini also managed to humiliate the whole institution in CDR and went out in the first round (after the group stage) against Lyon of all teams. Basically he continued flopping at the European scene which is always the priority of RM.

After a record transfer spree during the summer. Bad argument again.

Why do you think that Mourinho was given more power? It did not come out of nowhere. Also he had to fight for it. But eventually lost the battle. Already described this in another post.

You do realize that Mourinho won "the league of records" last season and beat more or less every single team record in La Liga history? From points in the season to goals scored etc.

One just need to look at the head to head games this season or those before. Before Mourinho arrived RM were our bitches. When he arrived, apart from the 5-0 defeat in his first game against us as a RM manager, is has been VERY equal. In fact they have been better this season.

I know that this is a Barcelona forum but I think that we can do better than this to downplay Mourinho. There are plenty of other things to be critical of him than those.

I am out for today.

 

[Deco 20]

So a fallout with the clown Balotelli is suddenly a bad thing? Really? Do you even know what really happened between him and Balotelli? Every sane manager/person would take Mourinho's side. Surprise, surprise, most actually did at Inter. He won a treble with them so they are hardly in a position to complain? Just ask the Inter fans whether they want Mourinho back.

And Casillas won a couple of CL titles with Madrid... I'm not saying Mou is entirely to blame for the Balotelli situation, or that he hated him throughout, but there was a conflict and Mou definitely didn't deal with it in the best way.

I already mentioned Abrahomivch. Come on, are you going to use that against Mourinho when Abramovich was clearly to blame trying to outperform Pérez in terms of authority and undermining the managerial role? Do I need to mention the fact that the same Abramovich is now begging Mourinho for a return and giving him an economical carte blanche? And that he is still the far most popular person in and around Chelsea?

The Tito episode was unfortunate and nobody here is going to defend that. At least not me. But Tito did slap Mourinho in the face as well. No matter how you look at it, it was bad as well and hence both initially received a ban - although Mourinho's ban should have been bigger. Anyway it never materialized due to the amateurish/corrupt Spanish Football Federation.

Well you've done it several times so far...
1. You've said that it was in the heat of the moment, but he still managed to calmly walk up behind Tito and then gouge him in the eye from behind, and he did it without being provocated.
2. You compare it to a different offence that was far from as serious in order to justify what he did despite there being very few similarities. Tito reacted on instinct whereas what Mourinho did was premeditated and much less serious anyway.

Frisk? I don't think that he can be blamed for that. High pressure/using the media for your own gain/your club/team is nothing new and a professional/top official should be prepared for that.

You do imagine how many death threats Mourinho and other top managers have received? Or other unfortunate episodes?

He can't be blamed for making up stories about Frisk and deliberately trying to wind up the fans? Do you apply the same logic to those trying to spread hate about others, such as when Jews, Muslims or (in an extreme case) Tutsi have been accused? When immigrants are blamed for 'stealing our jobs' and their crimes are highlighted while others are ignored?

LOL. Iker only lost his place after a period of really bad performances. Even Marca and AS acknowledged that at that time. Iker also lost the trust, understandably so, after being found out to be the stitch who went to the media to complain/spread rumors/undermine the team/manager publicly instead of keeping it inside the 4 walls. All for selfish reasons alone. Despite knowing fully well that this would cause more harm than do good. Not only for him and Mourinho but for ALL and the whole team. Later Mourinho also publicly started to make comments. Nothing unexpected given Mourinho's strong personality and him not accepting such behavior. Understandably so again.

Zanetti or not, Mourinho is praised by virtually EVERYBODY at ALL his former clubs. This says it all really. Sir Alex also comes to mind and other well-respected personalities in the game. Zanetti is just one of them.

No, they've had issues for over a season now, it's nothing new. Things have progressively become worse and then when Mou saw his chance to "land a blow" on Casillas he took it. I reitirate, Casillas and Mou have had a poor relationship for a while due to their differences in personality. Mou wanted Casillas to join in in the media game and the shit stirring whereas Casillas wanted Mou to tone it down.

Arguably? Mourinho arrived the year after us winning 6 titles out of 6 possible during a calendar year. Something that is not going to be equaled for a long time, I presume. Unless FCBM does it this year. Would not put it past them.

LOL. Pellegrini also managed to humiliate the whole institution in CDR and went out in the first round (after the group stage) against Lyon of all teams. Basically he continued flopping at the European scene which is always the priority of RM.

After a record transfer spree during the summer. Bad argument again.

Why do you think that Mourinho was given more power? It did not come out of nowhere. Also he had to fight for it. But eventually lost the battle. Already described this in another post.

You do realize that Mourinho won "the league of records" last season and beat more or less every single team record in La Liga history? From points in the season to goals scored etc.

One just need to look at the head to head games this season or those before. Before Mourinho arrived RM were our bitches. When he arrived, apart from the 5-0 defeat in his first game against us as a RM manager, is has been VERY equal. In fact they have been better this season.

I know that this is a Barcelona forum but I think that we can do better than this to downplay Mourinho. There are plenty of other things to be critical of him than those.

I am out for today.

Sure he achieved things, but looking at his trophy collection it's hardly impressive. He got the chance to sign anyone he wanted and he benefitted more by CR than Pellegrini as CR was injured + obviously would improve slightly in his second season.

Finally as you might have seen I've said that I believe that what he said wasn't inherently wrong, and that Casillas wasn't playing well, and I admit that he hasn't been horrible, but you can't say that he's been a great success and defend everything he does (well you can, but I don't think it makes sense).

That'll have to do on this topic for today

 

[DucdeOrléans]

And Casillas won a couple of CL titles with Madrid... I'm not saying Mou is entirely to blame for the Balotelli situation, or that he hated him throughout, but there was a conflict and Mou definitely didn't deal with it in the best way.



Well you've done it several times so far...
1. You've said that it was in the heat of the moment, but he still managed to calmly walk up behind Tito and then gouge him in the eye from behind, and he did it without being provocated.
2. You compare it to a different offence that was far from as serious in order to justify what he did despite there being very few similarities. Tito reacted on instinct whereas what Mourinho did was premeditated and much less serious anyway.


He can't be blamed for making up stories about Frisk and deliberately trying to wind up the fans? Do you apply the same logic to those trying to spread hate about others, such as when Jews, Muslims or (in an extreme case) Tutsi have been accused? When immigrants are blamed for 'stealing our jobs' and their crimes are highlighted while others are ignored?

No, they've had issues for over a season now, it's nothing new. Things have progressively become worse and then when Mou saw his chance to "land a blow" on Casillas he took it. I reitirate, Casillas and Mou have had a poor relationship for a while due to their differences in personality. Mou wanted Casillas to join in in the media game and the shit stirring whereas Casillas wanted Mou to tone it down.

Sure he achieved things, but looking at his trophy collection it's hardly impressive. He got the chance to sign anyone he wanted and he benefitted more by CR than Pellegrini as CR was injured + obviously would improve slightly in his second season.

Finally as you might have seen I've said that I believe that what he said wasn't inherently wrong, and that Casillas wasn't playing well, and I admit that he hasn't been horrible, but you can't say that he's been a great success and defend everything he does (well you can, but I don't think it makes sense).

That'll have to do on this topic for today

Casillas won 2 CL titles but that was 13 and 11 years ago, Deco 20. What has this to do with anything anyway? Casillas was not the manager.

Balotelli does not hate Mourinho nor does Mourinho hate Balotelli. Watch the clip I posted. Balotelli was not even 20 years old when Mourinho managed him. Moreover Balotelli is often a clown and was a well-known troublemaker when at Inter. Do you recall his episode against us when Inter and Mourinho defeated us in that painful CL-semifinal back in 2010?

Trust me, I watch every game of Italia and AC Milan is my second team and that club I always have followed in Italia so I am not anti-Balotelli. But blaming Mourinho for that is a lame argument with all due respect. I am sure most Inter fans would agree with me and objective users. No FCBarca is hardly one of them if anyone ever wondered.

Calmly? Did not look like that. I doubt anyone was calm at that moment. The whole game was hectic as hell and so was the whole stadium. How do you know that he was not provoked? Insulting Mourinho is a part time activity at the Camp Nou. I sing along whenever I am at the Camp Nou and the fans sing about him.

Anyway why do you seem to assume that I DO NOT strongly oppose that action? I already wrote the opposite in the previous post a few minutes ago. You are welcome to read my posts right after the episode on this forum. I never defended Mourinho. And I am not doing it now since I have no reason to do it. Sure, I do not hate him or assume that he is a evil person as other simpletons are doing. But I sure as hell have respect for his achievements, his winner mentality and for the many good aspects of his.

All part of the media and the current football world of today. You know this very well already. That's just how it is. Are you going to tell me that Mourinho's intention was to cause Frisk to stop? Also last time I checked (it's nearly been a decade ago) then Frisk stopped due to DEATH threats (Mourinho has received them as well and probably most top managers) from Chelsea fans who acted alone. You can't blame Mourinho for that. Just like that Norwegian referee whose name I can't remember received in 2009 after our famous draw at the Bridge in 2009 that I was lucky to witness from close hand. From the same group of far right-wing Chelsea fans that were behind the death threats aimed towards Frisk.

Hold on? Where did the Nazi comparisons, Rwanda genocide and Muslim extremists come from? Let's get real for a second. We are talking about a FOOTBALL MANAGER. On a FOOTBALL FORUM. In my opinion it is a lack of respect to even include such horrible episodes of human history in such a discussions as this one.

What I tried to tell you and others is that Tito also slapped Mourinho in the face. Which is, no matter how you look at it, a punishable act. That's basic law. In every civilized society. Notice that I already stated my strong opposition of such an act in the first place (Mourinho's) and that he, if the RFEF had not been a bunch of corrupt old men in suits, should have received a harsher punishment than he initially did.

No, it first escalated after Casillas went to the press instead of keeping it private. There will always be some shorts of conflicts and it is impossible for any manager/leader to be well-liked by everybody nor should that be a realistic aim. What we know though is that the problems that might have been between them were small and not big enough to cause any rifts/damage for the club before late autumn/winter last year. That first happened AFTER Casillas started to become a stitch and feed the infamous Spanish press.

What "shit stirring" are you talking about in the press? Mourinho did more than enough on his own already. The whole RM team, INCLUDING Casillas, did the same. Read Ursegor's post where he highlighted Iker's comment about Cesc, a teammate for Spain, and accused him of diving after Marcelo clearly tackled him and rightfully was sent off.

So let's not falsely make Iker a "saint" in this mess.

Hardly impressive? I would say it is neither fantastic nor bad as some users have claimed here. Thats' for sure. Everyone he wanted? That's not correct. Nobody ever gets such a thing.

Also Mourinho's spending alone was lower of that Pellegrini got in his first season. I think you are doing your utmost to make it seem like he never improved RM on most levels which he in fact did which his results confirm and him being able to more or less close the gap between FCB and RM. A gap that was huge just 1-2 seasons before he arrived.

I don't think that I have ever defended Mourinho on this forum apart from what I do now which is hardly "defending him" but just stating facts/opinions. I have no intention of defending Mourinho since I want him to leave RM. Already mentioned why that is.

I just happen to see it from a more neutral point of view than most here/from more perspectives instead of that followed by the majority here - a FCB forum. Which is expected and all that.

Please read the discussion from the beginning.

Sure, cheers.

I hardly have any time either. Travels and exams coming up.

 

[Deco 20]

Don't have time for a long answer right now so I'll just quickly mention some stuff:
The Casillas thing wasn't meant as a great argument, just mentioning that he has some honours too + the balo thing was just to point out that everything didn't go that smoothly. Other things went well but he managed him poorly.

Calmly as in Tito had done nothing to 'earn' the poke. Ofc I get that you didn't approve but in your argument you diminished it a bit.

The Stark thing was 100% started by Mou. He claimed a conspiracy despite there being nothing on the pitch to indicate it, and before he did Chelsea fans didn't have anything to object of. It was 100% based on Mou's words.
Now to the important part:
I want to make clear that I didn't mean anything like Nazi's or Extremists when mentioning Jews/Muslims, but rather people that take advantage of prejudice/strong feelings in order to make others scapegoats/objects of hate to further their agenda. What I had in mind was more akin to racist/anti-immigrant politicians and people on the web who spread (often made up) stories and information about immigrants. The Rwanda situation was obviously much more severe, but it's the same medium and tactic; but used in a way to lead to one of the worst chapters in human history.

Finally I don't think there's a way any of us can change the others opinion that much (we're not that far from eachother tbh), and that's just how it's supposed to be. It was enjoyable to discuss it and hopefully maybe something new was brought up or some sort of new angle was seen. That's about all you can ask for really

 

[footyfan]

If he wasn't such a clown in 2011, I would've quite liked him. His interviews are hilarious and he's a great coach, maybe the best.

"Second in the league, CL semifinal, SuperCopa, Copa final. It could have been better, but it could have been worse."

"Pepe has a problem and its name is Varane.”

"You don't have to be smart to understand Pepe's situation is frustrating. He was outperformed by a 19 year old"

"People believe what you [press] tell them”

"Ramos and Varane are the future of Real Madrid”

Meana: "Can you explain the situation with Casillas because people don't understand it”.
Mou: "I'm the manager and I get to pick who plays. Simple. I like Diego López more. There is no individual or personal problem. I prefer the keeper who plays better with his feet, clears the crosses better, is better in air and is a phenomenon in goal this season. Iker too can say he prefers Pellegrini, Del Bosque...”

"The club will pay me on the day I finish my work. I do not want a euro more than that.”

Journalist: "Were you planning to leave after Borussia?"
Mou: "I was planning to continue working."

"Iniesta has the right to say what he thinks and what he wants, but he should be concerned about Messi more because Barcelona is different without him”

---

Agree with him on almost everything

 

[footyfan]

Iker has been poor for quite some time now. And Diego Lopez has played out of his skin. Whatever reason Mou benched Iker is irrelevant. His decision was right. I don't understand the Iker love. I for one wouldn't be pissed if Tito bought Thiago Silva and played him over Puyol every single weekend.

 

[spark]

Walls of text alert


Iker is in Mou's bad books for the simple reason he had clear the air meetings with Xavi and co. when Mou wanted everything to be a war. Xavi's father confirmed that Mou wanted Iker to end their friendship. Anyone taking anything Mou says at face value deserves to be misled.He says what he needs to when it is convenient. Which is why every club he has coached has had the best ________ "inesert player and position". The man once called Cristiano bad educated when he was the enemy at Manchester. Lampard and Drogba were the best. Ibra was the best.


Iker was the best ... http://www.as.com/futbol/video/mourinho-decia-casillas-era-mejor/20130507dasdasftb_6/Ves

 

[Pepe Silvia]

so much *facepalm*
Why do I even bother with people like you? ...

Take a hike then pal. No ones forcing you to be here.

 

[Raed]

The fact that this is the liveliest thread is amazing and nothing short of spectacular, everyone has Mourinho fever. I have yet to come across anyone in the world of football that has attracted more attention. Simply, wow.

Anyway, the pretext of the arguments that are pro Mourinho unfortunately are not true no matter how solid Mourinho's arguments may sound like, but simply, they are fabricated because the problem isn't being discussed properly. Mourinho's failure do not stop at his dealing with Casillas and his issue extends way beyond that. Mourinho and Casillas didn't have an issue, until Mourinho felt betrayed by Spain's National Team Captain for calling Xavi and settling the score.

A gesture from Casillas that was widely accepted and appreciated from all corners of Spain. Mourinho tried to strain a social and sporting sporting issue that has plagued Spain for years and have been able to over come in the past decade thanks for Aragones and the willingness of the Spanish people.

Mourinho's success largely depends on raising tension for his tactics to work, and it took him a while to raise to the tension in Real Madrid because the players were relectant and were not at ease with it. What was competitive became personal, what was tense became ugly and what was cheeky became dirty. The whole mood in Madrid was darkened. He complained and got his way, Madrid budged in and cleared the way for him by removing Valdano from the spot.

At this point Mourinho didn't have any problems with players and by the end of the 2011 season he was campaigning for Casillas to be ballon d'or winner. So his first season ended behind Barcelona, behind Pellegrinis Madrid but in the semi finals. Controversial calls in favor of Barcelona and the lack of initiative from Madrid saw his team finish with a Copa del Rey. At this point one was being sympathetic, one was being hopeful, that Mourinho's second seasons were always better.

Now for second season, he has gotten his way and he removed the slick suit and put on his track suit, a new approach and a new style. Mourinho formulated a team that did anything possible to win over Barcelona and succeeded, as well as registering the mightiest league campaign with a win over Barcelona away. That was epic but tensions were high, blood was boiling and relationships damaged, and with it some players as well. Details aside, had Mourinho been tactically less predictable and been slightly more adventurous he would have probably beaten Bayern but it wasn't meant to. He drove away Pep, he had the league all to himself. He still didn't have any issue with anyone but by that point he had alianted the entire media and has treated them like trash.

While his treatment of the media in many cases based on actual facts, he was completely in wrong for not being diplomatic, and he had no need to pick a fight with them. His handling of the media was piss poor and that resulted in a massive war against him and which drained him and his team. The strain on the team was all but evident and the players had enough.

The way the season started no body understood what was going on, his throw away of the league to Tito was absolutely shambolic and an absolute failure and to protect himself, he half sarcastically claimed responsibility and this is where it started to go downhill very quickly. His comments such as 'when the team wins, it is the players, when the team loses it is my fault', 'I claim all responsibility for not motivating the team' were not very well respected in Spain and most certainly in the capital because no one believed him. He quickly denounced the league for the sake of the '10th' and his problems which he had kept a lid on all along where surfacing faster than he can manage and the biggest problem was that the media was anxiously waiting because of the prior two years, on which they capitalized on mercilessly.

His behavior was that less than adequate for Madrid's stature and that Ramos and Casillas were saving face and their refusal to join the circus show was the second time Mourinho felt betrayed. His jealousy towards the World champions were evident by his comments towards Casillas saying he is far too protected. Sure, he was protected but why pick a fight with Casillas? A fight that he was always going to lose? The club saved his ass by acting promptly and purchasing Diego Lopez, and please do not forget his total melt down mid season and his flirting with other clubs but Perez check mated him. He never allowed him an excuse and kept him in his position to claim all responsibility for everything and even though Mourinho wanted out, and the club forced him to stay because they know better, they backed him in a corner and the only way for him forward was actually forward he drove the club to the semis. Had Mourinho gotten his way, he wouldn't be bragging about a 3rd year 3 CL semi finals. Along the way he piicked a fight with Torill for a strange reason and if he had an issue with the club's set up vertically, as in the club did not properly set the youth team directly as a feeder club to the first team he did nothing to solve the issue but to address it in public, a massive blow to the youth team's moral and whatever harmony the club was enjoying.

So while many thing that he has broken the hegemony that Barcelona enjoyed, and while that many feel he has succeeded in bringing Madrid to proper European heights, one must understand that he has failed where others did as well, and his contribution to the club was exaggerated by him because of the unfortunate case of Madrid fans being divided right now. His fans want him out because they don't want him dealing with Madrid and those who either hate him or dislike him want him out because they cannot stand him and this is the only thing that unites the fans around Mourinho, that they both want him out, and so does he.

While the players shoulder the blame for not being fit and for being lazy, and Casillas having his form drop, he most certainly didn't create a long lasting powerful team because right after his win, he has failed. He gambled on the CL and he lost. And this wraps up his tenure at Madrid. Missed opportunities and a ton of drama, Mourinho lost the war on both fronts, on the pitch and the mic wars. Both wars he started.

But to wrap all this up and in very short...the problem isn't Casillas, nor is it Pepe, or Ramos, or Ronaldo, or Benzema or Higuain or who ever, the problem is simple, has Mourinho delivered? No? k, thanks bye, move on. He doesn't want to be on board, and we won't stand in his way. He has nothing to worry about, he is 45 million richer anyway, that should be enough to cover the ikea boxes.