Josep Maria Bartomeu

[Leo_Messi]

Are there? Where? the Neymar deal is shady. No one is making anything up. And ofc you say "Cases is suspicious individual". rosell and barto are the real suspicious individuals.

Yes. It happens all the time. You really think that Pérez never did similar deals? Or the club before Rosell and Bartomeu? Of course they did. Yes, I find the entire timeline of Jordi Cases and his actions as very suspicious. It could have been done in a better way without hurting the club. Also he suddenly dropped the intend to pursue the case just because Bartomeu explained the transfer in vague terms. It does not add up.

We all know that neither Rosell or Bartomeu were/are fit for the job but that's an entirely different discussion. I am looking past that here.

The club already paid an additional sum of money to the Hacienda (Department of Treasury). 13.5 million euros. The case should have ended there.

Yet anti-Catalan segments in Spain are hellbent on punishing the club as much as they can while RM is beyond the law. Of course this is frustrating. As much as the countless media attacks on FCB and ridiculous accusations. We all remember the accusations of Pep's team being doped etc. which the Spanish media were hellbent on spreading and countless of other silly accusations.

Enough is enough. This is not about the incompetent board anymore for me.

 

[Hamzah]

will we become the rangers fc of spain?

 

[Leo_Messi]

will we become the rangers fc of spain?

No but we should let RM become the Celtic/Rangers of Spain once FCB leaves the joke that is the RFEF.

 

[Flavia]

Yes. It happens all the time. You really think that Pérez never did similar deals? Or the club before Rosell and Bartomeu? Of course they did. Yes, I find the entire timeline of Jordi Cases and his actions as very suspicious. It could have been done in a better way without hurting the club. Also he suddenly dropped the intend to pursue the case just because Bartomeu explained the transfer in vague terms. It does not add up.

We all know that neither Rosell or Bartomeu were/are fit for the job but that's an entirely different discussion. I am looking past that here.

The club already paid an additional sum of money to the Hacienda (Department of Treasury). 13.5 million euros. The case should have ended there.

Yet anti-Catalan segments in Spain are hellbent on punishing the club as much as they can while RM is beyond the law. Of course this is frustrating. As much as the countless media attacks on FCB and ridiculous accusations. We all remember the accusations of Pep's team being doped etc. which the Spanish media were hellbent on spreading and countless of other silly accusations.

Enough is enough. This is not about the incompetent board anymore for me.

As I said, 2 wrongs don't make a right. You don't go and steal a bank and then say "but that other guy did it too, and he managed to go unpunished... can't I be excused too?"

rm's signings is not Barcelona's problem. Nor is perez. Why are Cases actions suspicious? Because he denounced a crime? If this deal wasn't shady, there would be no problem at all. The club paying that money will be a mitigant element, but that doesn't make the crime go away. The anti-catalans sentiments have little to do with rosell's wrongdoings. Blaming this on madrid is completely wrong. The people to blame are our board, and no one else.

 

[khaled_a_d]

What is with leaving RFEF comments about?Catalonia is still a part os Spain and it will continue like that for years if not forever .the option of leaving RFEF is only there if Catalonia actually get its independence .

 

[Leo_Messi]

In short yes I believe that there are "manos negras". Are Rosell and Bartomeu not even worthy of being employed as gardeners at La Masia? Yes. Have they contributed to many of the recent scandals? Indeed they have.

Based on history, recent events (outside of football too), the circumstances etc. then I refuse to believe that it's all down to their incompetence and that the notoriously anti-Catalan Spanish authorities are completely impartial and that such a powerful man as Pérez is somehow not involved in all of this.

Maybe this Jordi Cases will write a book in 5-10 years time and we will get to know more. Surely there is more behind the curtains that we know of.

As I said, 2 wrongs don't make a right. You don't go and steal a bank and then say "but that other guy did it too, and he managed to go unpunished... can't I be excused too?"

rm's signings is not Barcelona's problem. Nor is perez. Why are Cases actions suspicious? Because he denounced a crime? If this deal wasn't shady, there would be no problem at all. The club paying that money will be a mitigant element, but that doesn't make the crime go away. The anti-catalans sentiments have little to do with rosell's wrongdoings. Blaming this on madrid is completely wrong. The people to blame are our board, and no one else.

Let's just wait and see how the case ends and agree to disagree. Anyway I am not defending the board or Rosell here. Just looking at the wider picture.

What is with leaving RFEF comments about?Catalonia is still a part os Spain and it will continue like that for years if not forever .the option of leaving RFEF is only there if Catalonia actually get its independence .

Forever? You have to be kidding? FCB could very well play in Ligue 1 even if Catalunya was only an autonomous region of Spain as it currently is.

 

[Flavia]

In short yes I believe that there are "manos negras". Are Rosell and Bartomeu not even worthy of being employed as gardeners at La Masia? Yes. Have they contributed to many of the recent scandals? Indeed they have.

Based on history, recent events (outside of football too), the circumstances etc. then I refuse to believe that it's all down to their incompetence and that the notoriously anti-Catalan Spanish authorities are completely impartial and that such a powerful man as Pérez is somehow not involved in all of this.

Maybe this Jordi Cases will write a book in 5-10 years time and we will get to know more. Surely there is more behind the curtains that we know of.

Yes... The manos negras are the hands of rosell and barto. No one forced them to commit tax fraud. You're naive if you think rosell did all this only because he wanted neymar to play for Barça, from the goodness of his heart. He had ulterior motives; he has plenty of shady deals here in Brazil, and is friends with one of the most corrupt men in football, ricardo teixeira.

 

[Leo_Messi]

Yes... The manos negras are the hands of rosell and barto. No one forced them to commit tax fraud. You're naive if you think rosell did all this only because he wanted neymar to play for Barça, from the goodness of his heart. He had ulterior motives; he has plenty of shady deals here in Brazil, and is friends with one of the most corrupt men in football, ricardo teixeira.

Please look at the wider picture here. You don't find any of the many suspicious events in recent years as questionable? Or is it all bound in the incompetence of the board? Incompetence that most other clubs in Spain are guilty of let alone RM. Yet they are somehow not as scrutinized as FCB and whenever suspicious events turn up in the media they are ironically almost always toned down and later forgotten. I could give you numerous examples of this practice so to speak.

Yes, Rosell is a corrupt man to the core. Most people in such positions in Southern Europe at least are this way. Similarly in Southern América.

Yes along with João Havelange.

 

[Flavia]

Please look at the wider picture here. You don't find any of the many suspicious events in recent years as questionable? Or is it all bound in the incompetence of the board? Incompetences that most other clubs in Spain are guilty of let alone RM. Yet they are somehow not as scrutinized as FCB and whenever suspicious events turn up they are ironically almost always toned down and later forgotten. I could give you numerous examples of this practice so to speak.

Yes, Rosell is a corrupt man to the core. Most people in such positions in Southern Europe at least are this way. Similarly in Southern América.

Yes along with João Havelange.

This wider picture does not matter. rosell and bartomeu dragged the club to this on their own. I know very well how corrupt spain is, and how rm is favoured in the league. But neither perez nor the lfp/rfef are the "masterminds" behind the Neymar deal. rosell made all this possible. He gave the fuel and the matches so madrid could do all this to screw us over and over. You really can't shift the blame in this case.

If Madrid/Spain will attack Barca and Catalonia at every chance they get, then don't give them any chance. Be extremely careful, transparent and clear in everything you do. Rosell and Bartomeu did the opposite, they basically did the equivallent of painting a huge bullseye on the Camp Nou walls with this shit.

I agree that if some day Barcelona gets attacked and penalized for doing nothing wrong, then it's high time to leave Spain for good, as no one can survive in such a climate. But are we at that point now? Are shady deals like this really normal among european clubs, we're just being targeted? There are certainly many unfair things in the relationship between Barca and Madrid, but this mess is clearly Rosell and Bartomeus doing and could easily have been avoided.

Pretty much this.

 

[Leo_Messi]

This is what a club member has to say about this case on a Spanish forum.

"Dos noticias de Hacienda en el mismo dia y las dos con personajes famosos...

La duquesa de Alba que al parecer,la pobre (Dios la tenga donde tenga que tenerla...) que en una de sus declaraciones salió a devolverle unos 1000 euritos,que no está nada mal para una persona que lo debia estar pasando "muy mal" económicamente hablando...

Y luego el curioso "resurgimiento" del tema Ney,con el fiscal apretandole a Ruz para que impute a Bartomeu y a parte Rosell con hasta tres delitos fiscales por el mismo tema.

Y esto llega,curiosamente después de que el Barça vaya recuperandose poco a poco con 8 victorias consecutivas y con el duo de moda Messi & Neymar funcionando a un gran nivel y habiendo eliminado al Atlético de la Copa.

No voy a ser yo,quien defienda a quienes no hacen bien las cosas,pero me parece muy rebuscado todo éste asunto.

El momento y el interés por sacar ahora esto de nuevo...

Por lo que se ve,Bartomeu y Rosell (y la Duquesa de Alba) son los únicos que han defraudado a Hacienda en los últimos tiempos…"

Spot on. People are too engulfed in hating the board (understandably so) which blinds them from seeing the wider picture. It's an ugly one btw.

 

[Flavia]

This is what a club member has to say about this case on a Spanish forum.

"Dos noticias de Hacienda en el mismo dia y las dos con personajes famosos...

La duquesa de Alba que al parecer,la pobre (Dios la tenga donde tenga que tenerla...) que en una de sus declaraciones salió a devolverle unos 1000 euritos,que no está nada mal para una persona que lo debia estar pasando "muy mal" económicamente hablando...

Y luego el curioso "resurgimiento" del tema Ney,con el fiscal apretandole a Ruz para que impute a Bartomeu y a parte Rosell con hasta tres delitos fiscales por el mismo tema.

Y esto llega,curiosamente después de que el Barça vaya recuperandose poco a poco con 8 victorias consecutivas y con el duo de moda Messi & Neymar funcionando a un gran nivel y habiendo eliminado al Atlético de la Copa.

No voy a ser yo,quien defienda a quienes no hacen bien las cosas,pero me parece muy rebuscado todo éste asunto.

El momento y el interés por sacar ahora esto de nuevo...

Por lo que se ve,Bartomeu y Rosell (y la Duquesa de Alba) son los únicos que han defraudado a Hacienda en los últimos tiempos…"

Spot on. People are too engulfed in hating the board (understandable so) which blinds them from seeing the wider picture. It's an ugly one btw.

You're still shifting the blame. Trying to justify the unjustifiable. As if commiting a crime is somehow not important, and the people bringing this to light are the ones doing something wrong. Their timing is obviously to destabilize the team, but who made all this mess to begin with? and

It would resurface eventually, anyway. And meanwhile, our club's name is in the gutter.

 

[Luftstalag14]

This is what a club member has to say about this case on a Spanish forum.

"Dos noticias de Hacienda en el mismo dia y las dos con personajes famosos...

La duquesa de Alba que al parecer,la pobre (Dios la tenga donde tenga que tenerla...) que en una de sus declaraciones salió a devolverle unos 1000 euritos,que no está nada mal para una persona que lo debia estar pasando "muy mal" económicamente hablando...

Y luego el curioso "resurgimiento" del tema Ney,con el fiscal apretandole a Ruz para que impute a Bartomeu y a parte Rosell con hasta tres delitos fiscales por el mismo tema.

Y esto llega,curiosamente después de que el Barça vaya recuperandose poco a poco con 8 victorias consecutivas y con el duo de moda Messi & Neymar funcionando a un gran nivel y habiendo eliminado al Atlético de la Copa.

No voy a ser yo,quien defienda a quienes no hacen bien las cosas,pero me parece muy rebuscado todo éste asunto.

El momento y el interés por sacar ahora esto de nuevo...

Por lo que se ve,Bartomeu y Rosell (y la Duquesa de Alba) son los únicos que han defraudado a Hacienda en los últimos tiempos…"

Spot on. People are too engulfed in hating the board (understandable so) which blinds them from seeing the wider picture. It's an ugly one btw.

Right on. This inept board didn't help, but Madrid always has an axe to grind when it comes to Catalunya and FC Barcelona. They are seizing upon the opportunity created by this board to start a grand witch hunt, seeking to destroy us.

@#$% Madrid, @#$% Spain!

 

[khaled_a_d]

This is what a club member has to say about this case on a Spanish forum.

"Dos noticias de Hacienda en el mismo dia y las dos con personajes famosos...

La duquesa de Alba que al parecer,la pobre (Dios la tenga donde tenga que tenerla...) que en una de sus declaraciones salió a devolverle unos 1000 euritos,que no está nada mal para una persona que lo debia estar pasando "muy mal" económicamente hablando...

Y luego el curioso "resurgimiento" del tema Ney,con el fiscal apretandole a Ruz para que impute a Bartomeu y a parte Rosell con hasta tres delitos fiscales por el mismo tema.

Y esto llega,curiosamente después de que el Barça vaya recuperandose poco a poco con 8 victorias consecutivas y con el duo de moda Messi & Neymar funcionando a un gran nivel y habiendo eliminado al Atlético de la Copa.

No voy a ser yo,quien defienda a quienes no hacen bien las cosas,pero me parece muy rebuscado todo éste asunto.

El momento y el interés por sacar ahora esto de nuevo...

Por lo que se ve,Bartomeu y Rosell (y la Duquesa de Alba) son los únicos que han defraudado a Hacienda en los últimos tiempos…"

Spot on. People are too engulfed in hating the board (understandably so) which blinds them from seeing the wider picture. It's an ugly one btw.

For god sake this is an English speaking forum.can people here think about translating spanish posts 1st

 

[Hamzah]

would you guys support barca if they moved to france? part of the attraction of supporting them in the first place was la liga surely?

 

[Leo_Messi]

You're still shifting the blame. Trying to justify the unjustifiable. As if commiting a crime is somehow not important, and the people bringing this to light are the ones doing something wrong. Their timing is obviously to destabilize the team, but who made all this mess to begin with? and

It would resurface eventually, anyway. And meanwhile, our club's name is in the gutter.

Football at such a high level is no place for morality. The team is sponsored by Qatar. This fact alone should make us avoid morality altogether. Remember Laporta's trips to Uzbekistan? Enough said. It's the same story all over Southern Europe. Even in Bayern they are doing shady business.

Transfers like the one that brought Neymar to the club happen all the time and have happened before at FCB. Anyone doubting this is simply naive.

Why is Ruz imputing Rosell, Bartomeu and the club for the same supposed crime? Why is this happening now? Did the club not already pay the Hacienda 13.5 million euros for that mistake (whether deliberate or not)? It's Rosell that should be imputed. Nobody else.

We are also talking about 2.8 million euros. A laughable number. If Rosell really wanted to cheat here he could have done so much more effectively and in many other ways. After all he has been doing this in Brazil without ever getting in trouble for real. Also why impute Bartomeu? He was not the president when the club bought Neymar.

For god sake this is an English speaking forum.can people here think about translating spanish posts 1st

You can use Google Translate. I am not going to translate a whole post. Nor is anyone here translating articles from EMD or Sport whenever they link to them.