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linetty
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The contract of new international transfer adviser Ariedo Braida (68) is being finalized. He'll arrive in Barcelona next week. [cope]
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Flavia
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Because bartomeu's signature is also on the contract. I can't avoid morality. I don't agree with these practices, and oddly enough, one of rosell's arguments in the election was that Laporta's tenure was full of wrong-doings, and he was going to fix it all.
The club didn't pay hacienda yet. They deposited that amount because of the lawsuit, but only after the judge's sentence the actual amount to be paid will be set. Also, rosell and barto are facing possible jail time. Each is facing 3 different crimes imputed against them. And the club is facing 2.
You don't just pay and the lawsuit ends. Especially for Barcelona in spain.
Investigated about what? The other big signing like Neymar was Bale, but I'm sure perez paid all the taxes. They had money to do it.
Leo_Messi
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Anyway what a farce. Just when the team was starting to perform well and relative calm dominated the club. Another season potentially ruined. Just like last season.
Whatever is going to happen then the board should simply step down now. Enough is enough. This is likely to cause chaos within the club and probably destroy the season.
The club can simply not afford more scandals. It will take years to improve the club's reputation thanks to a combination of a incompetent board and a ridiculously corrupt country in Spain that is suffering from anti-Catalan phobia which has only intensified after last years Catalan self-determination referendum.
BARTOMEU (2-7-2014)
"Ser imputado no significa que sea culpable. No dimitiré"
Being imputed does not mean that one is guilty. I will not resign.
Let's see if he can keep his promise.
On the other hand the board leaving or not will not change much. The club would still be in a constitutional chaos until the elections in July. Maybe it's better to try to survive the storm and prevent it from evolving into a hurricane. The Spanish media will surely do their job to make it into a hurricane. The vandals at Marca have already started the campaign.
Whatever is going to happen then the board should simply step down now. Enough is enough. This is likely to cause chaos within the club and probably destroy the season.
The club can simply not afford more scandals. It will take years to improve the club's reputation thanks to a combination of a incompetent board and a ridiculously corrupt country in Spain that is suffering from anti-Catalan phobia which has only intensified after last years Catalan self-determination referendum.
BARTOMEU (2-7-2014)
"Ser imputado no significa que sea culpable. No dimitiré"
Being imputed does not mean that one is guilty. I will not resign.
Let's see if he can keep his promise.
On the other hand the board leaving or not will not change much. The club would still be in a constitutional chaos until the elections in July. Maybe it's better to try to survive the storm and prevent it from evolving into a hurricane. The Spanish media will surely do their job to make it into a hurricane. The vandals at Marca have already started the campaign.
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Flavia
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I don't think this will affect the team. They're surely used to that by now. So many scandals happened already. If anything, it could be more motivation to beat madrid.
Leo_Messi
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I don't have a problem with morality either but I am not naive. Such practices and many others are common in the football world. That's why this case does not bother me outside of its repercussions.
What annoys me is that there is clearly 1 law for RM and another for FCB. It's always been like that.
Correct. That sum of money has not yet been paid but it will be. It might even increase as you say. Yes, the good old signatures ruining everything.
I am not a lawyer but I still find it strange that they are imputing all 3 parties for the same crime when the guilty one here (if found guilty) is clearly Rosell. Anyway since he was the president he is acting in the name of the club hence the charge probably.
Knowing the Spanish justice system then this case is likely to drag on forever and if (big if) Rosell or Bartomeu are ever going to face a prison sentence you won't see me crying. I doubt that they will though. Too many crooks have not faced justice in Spain for their economic crimes. A horde in fact.
Let us hope that, Flavia. But you never really know how a team will react to such news. So far they have done well. I just doubt that it does not have an impact at all. It must have.
Kohe321
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Can we actually name other similar cases as the Neymar one from other clubs? I saw Bale was mentioned, and that's just lazy. Is there any proof to back it up, or is the thinking such that because there was never any investigation into another clubs big signing, shady business probably occured but just never came to light? This sort of reasoning is blatantly fallacious. All I see is a general conclusion that "shady business is happening all the time" with no proof to back it up. Is it really? Because I'd like to see some other examples like the Neymar transfer where the offending club got off scot-free.
The answer must be that proof is hard to produce without an investigation, and so the reasoning is that other clubs probably are doing deals like this as well, but we're the ones getting busted for it because we're Barca. Just as we got punished with a transferban for something everyone else is doing. I wonder what the truth is on this.
Sorry if I come off as interrogative or unfriendly here, I'm just curious. Also, I completely agree that Barca is being targeted, but that doesn't remove the fact that Rosell and Bartomeu are to blame for this mess. I can't get over the fact that this could and should have been avoided. Had they been careful and transparent and followed the law to a tee, this would never have happened.
The answer must be that proof is hard to produce without an investigation, and so the reasoning is that other clubs probably are doing deals like this as well, but we're the ones getting busted for it because we're Barca. Just as we got punished with a transferban for something everyone else is doing. I wonder what the truth is on this.
Sorry if I come off as interrogative or unfriendly here, I'm just curious. Also, I completely agree that Barca is being targeted, but that doesn't remove the fact that Rosell and Bartomeu are to blame for this mess. I can't get over the fact that this could and should have been avoided. Had they been careful and transparent and followed the law to a tee, this would never have happened.
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Luftstalag14
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So the gist of the all accusations against Rosell and Bartomeu regarding the Neymar deal is that they allegedly underreported the transfer fee, therefore not paying the full taxes they should have paid?
Leo_Messi
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There was a consensus in the Spanish media of all media out there when the rumors about the irregularities concerning Nyemar's transfer first started to surface that similar irregularities occur all the time. One simply has to be very naive to think otherwise. You don't need the word of corrupt court system's in Spain to confirm this.
FIFA's transfer ban was a correct one but even Villar admitted and told the club that several other Spanish clubs were/are guilty of the exact same "crime". Hence why RFEF were standing behind FCB all the time. I am sure that non-Spanish clubs are no exception here.
Nobody has ever said that Rosell and Bartomeu are without fault here. In fact we all agree that they are the main culprits here and the reason why the situation that the club is in currently is as it is. I am just looking at the wider picture here.
Anyway got to go. "Interesting" times ahead for the club indeed. The continuous scandals feel like one tragicomical roller coaster with no end in sight. Frustrating to say the least when all the focus should be on the field.
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Flavia
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No. There were also smaller contracts made, to look like they weren't part of the transfer fee. So they really tried to fool the hacienda.
read those:
http://iusport.com/not/4874/la-fisc...a-rosell-y-al-bar-a-por-el-fichaje-de-neymar/
http://www.weloba.com/article/president-bartomeu-accused-of-alleged-tax-fraud-over-neymar-transfer
Actually what people don't realize that RFEF regulations are built in a way so no team can develop by following the regulation. That's how they exercise their power and extort money from the clubs. No big team can operate without breaking the regulation. You cannot go to jungle and preach equal rights and integrity, they will eat you alive. Are Rosell and Barto crooks? Sure! Do they deserve manage club like Barca? No way! But whatever is happening now has nothing to do with what they did, it has many thing to do with Spain being in the deep financial crisis and Catalonia trying to get independence. And please don't post articles from Madrid based media here. I can present the financials of the Medicine Sans Frontier so they will like an organization in business of international money laundering.
Bertus
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The scan that Flavia posted some pages back is not made up by Madrid based medias.
Can't believe some you just shift the blame as if Rosell and Barto were innocent.
And at the same times you guys will blame them to death in other threads.
You just shift the blame to please what you personally want. You fear what could happen to the club so now in haste you're trying to shift the blame.
Quite pathetic.
That said, I don't think the club will be disolved, but we might end up in segunda for real.
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Flavia
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That's not what rosell did. He tried to operate inside of the account limits the socis voted, so the money spent would be within that limit. But it was impossible, without using next window transfer money too. That's what he should had done. But I don't think the socis would be happy with paying 100m for Neymar back then. And rosell wanted Neymar at Barça at any cost, as he had plenty of intere$t to do so.
Bertus
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We can't know that without investigation as you said.
It's too easy to say "others are doing it too", but people saying that provide 0 proof. That's a pure case of fallacy yet again.
Right now we're facing penalties and that's because of OUR board.
And if as some people say Barca is ALWAYS targetted, then the board should be aware and avoid to do incredibly shaddy deals like Neymar's.
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