Jude Bellingham

[Maradona37]

There are more stats outside of xG/xA that measure defenders/midfielders as well. That's why they have data analysts in every club, but judging only by data is like playing table football. Crucial aspects of football aren't registered, therefore you have scouting department.

Another thing with the Americanization of the game. In NBA back in 2017 or 2018 they had to pick Russel Westbrook as MVP because he had the perfect stats, but his Oklahoma Thunders were nowhere near that.

This whole debate seems pointless, you and me clearly think very differently to El Gato.

I don't follow NBA but I have heard that Westbrook guy referenced before - a stats guy but didn't actually make the team better. Heard him compared to Fernandes a lot in football.

 

[Birdy]

Whenever he plays close to the box or around, storming in as secondary striker,
like he did last season the whole season,
he will get his goals and will help his (CUNT)team...

Other than that, he is trash as CM, as he can't control tempo/see play, etc. to save his life.
His defensive work-rate can't compensate for that, no matter how much eL Lato seethes about him as a CM

Vardrid without Modric, Tchou, and with Valverde-Ham as the two CMs in a 4-4-2ish system is so funny to watch
No one in md knows when and where to pass the ball.
Pray for Carlo to play like that the big CL KO games vs City, Arsenal, and Pool.
We are gonna have some laughter

 

[Maradona37]

Nobody is even saying he's a poor player - hes a good player, has quality.

The issue is stuff like people anointing him the new Zidane (another eye test not stats player) because he scores goals and sets them up. He is NOTHING like Zidane in talent, style of play, anything. It's just because he wears number 5 at RM.

 

[Birdy]

Nobody is even saying he's a poor player - hes a good player, has quality.

The issue is stuff like people anointing him the new Zidane (another eye test not stats player) because he scores goals and sets them up. He is NOTHING like Zidane in talent, style of play, anything. It's just because he wears number 5 at RM.

Only idiots compared him to Zidane

 

[El Gato]

Kings of doubling down
Enjoy the season lads

 

[Maradona37]

Kings of doubling down
Enjoy the season lads

I'm not necessarily saying the same as Birdy - I still think Real Madrid could do the double as they have individual quality, experience and know how of doing it before. It's a big if, but could happen.

I am simply talking about the pointlessness of graphics like the one posted earlier. You have to watch these players to get a feel for how they are performing - it's too easy to scratch out stats and moments while being a liability the rest of the time. Fernandes for example is a big problem for Man United and the play revolves around him and he (and previously Rashford) forced them into being a rudimentary counter-attack side as that was the only way those two could maximise their stats. However, it got the team absolutely nowhere. Then their fans have Stockholm Syndrome and think they can 'achieve nothing without Bruno' (even though they achieve nothing with him, they need to get rid of him and build a cohesive team not built around Bruno's hero ball).

This isn't the same as Bellingham, as he's a better footballer outside stats than Fernandes, but the principle is the same.

Peace.

 

[Temptation]

Bellingham has great work rate and does contribute defensively. He has covered for Mbappe and Vini's laziness. One thing you can't criticise him for is his work ethic. Very hardworking on and off the ball.


Do G/A matter? Ofcourse it does because it's the most decisive metric in the sport. But you cannot ignore the context. Stats definitely matter for forwards. There's no debate about that. Forwards should be effective in the final third because that's their primary job. Does it matter for midfielders? Not necessarily but it's fantastic if a CM/AM can chip in with goals like Lampard did. It helps the manager and the forwards out a lot and eases pressure.


Goal threat from midfield is a huge asset because it's unpredictable and late runs are nearly impossible to defend against.


I don't see Bellingham as a G/A merchant like Bruno. I see Bellingham as a very well rounded hardworking player who happens to be great in the final third. Bellingham is great on the ball too. He has leadership qualities and confidence and always tries to get involved in the game unlike fairweather players who often hide from the ball.

 

[Maradona37]

Bellingham has great work rate and does contribute defensively. He has covered for Mbappe and Vini's laziness. One thing you can't criticise him for is his work ethic. Very hardworking on and off the ball.


Do G/A matter? Ofcourse it does because it's the most decisive metric in the sport. But you cannot ignore the context. Stats definitely matter for forwards. There's no debate about that. Forwards should be effective in the final third because that's their primary job. Does it matter for midfielders? Not necessarily but it's fantastic if a CM/AM can chip in with goals like Lampard did. It helps the manager and the forwards out a lot and eases pressure.


Goal threat from midfield is a huge asset because it's unpredictable and late runs are nearly impossible to defend against.


I don't see Bellingham as a G/A merchant like Bruno. I see Bellingham as a very well rounded hardworking player who happens to be great in the final third. Bellingham is great on the ball too. He has leadership qualities and confidence and always tries to get involved in the game unlike fairweather players who often hide from the ball.

Fair enough. Can't be bothered arguing anymore anyway. I acknowledge he's a quality player.

@El Gato sorry for the you don't play dig, that was below the belt and is not that important anyway. Thanks for the good debate earlier.

 

[te amo barca]

Rich man’s box crasher

 

[Rory]

Often see him in midfield setting the tempo, dropping deep to take the ball off the defenders, then stretching the pitch with a long ball. Or he's the one making the run to stretch the pitch, allowing the more intricate players the space and time. Works his arse of defending and pressuring the opponent which is hugely important these days, especially in a team where winning the ball back for a counter with Vinicius/Mbappe is on the cards. Would be heralded as best player in the world if he played for us.

 

[El Gato]

Yep. Basically the above

Best moves of his are not even those anywhere near the goal at all. It's those turns and lightning fast awareness around halfway line on the counter where to place the ball for a winger making a run like that pass to Fran/Rodrygo(?) in 2nd half. Does that many a time when opponent presses high - and they almost always do when they don't fear to attack
Is precisely the litmus test for who actually watches the game and who is deluded

 

[Porque]

Obviously been watching a ton of Pedri and taking notes. Especially last Clasico.

 

[Maradona37]

Fair enough lads - I will watch some of their upcoming games (if I can get access through IPTV) and keep a close eye on him.

 

[jamrock]

Fans calling him the best in the world are as delusional as those who call him a bum.

He's one of the better midfielders out their, and his main attribute is scoring goals, those trying to add a bunch of other layers to his game against is just as delusional as those who say he can only score goals.

Already broke down his game, can't be bothered to do it again, but as usual, Im right.

He's a top goal scoring Midfielder, who works hard for the team and can do a few things in midfield, reminds you of any midfielder that came before?.

 

[El Gato]

Haha his main attribute absolutely is not scoring goals
As surface level take as it gets
Carry on though