jamrock
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Yea keep trying to sell that story, no one will buy it.
Jude Bellingham
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jamrock
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All of a sudden his name is back in the news, what is he doing now, that he wasn't doing for months 🤔🤔🤔.
If he doesn't score, his impact on a game is cut in about half.
Out here trying to build Bellingham into the 2nd coming of seedorf or something.
We've seen him before, many times in England.
If he doesn't score, his impact on a game is cut in about half.
Out here trying to build Bellingham into the 2nd coming of seedorf or something.
We've seen him before, many times in England.
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I don't think this guy touched the ball once in the last 20 mins. "Midfielder" my ass 
okay I just recalled the pass he gave to Vini. Still he was very out of the game in the last 20 mins, instead of imposing himself
okay I just recalled the pass he gave to Vini. Still he was very out of the game in the last 20 mins, instead of imposing himself
MonteCuler
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Best midfielder, NO
But I appreciate his clutch mentality and insane ability to do something in the final third. Still a quality player whose good form is one of the worst things that could happen for us.
Maybe more fitting for vardrid wankers who push their agenda of Jude as the best midfielder would be the best attacking midfielder instead, although even that would be very arguable.
But I appreciate his clutch mentality and insane ability to do something in the final third. Still a quality player whose good form is one of the worst things that could happen for us.
Maybe more fitting for vardrid wankers who push their agenda of Jude as the best midfielder would be the best attacking midfielder instead, although even that would be very arguable.
Maradona37
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I do believe there's a concerted effort to build this guy up into something he isn't (new Zidane, best in the world bollocks) because of making money through clicks and manufacturing a new 'superstar'. The same way the media profited from the Messi v Ronaldo debate, which is a farce really, but Ronaldo was put on Messi's level because an artificial rivalry would make much more money. Bellingham's entire childhood has probably been geared to making him a star - he's a commodity, not a person.
Same thing is happening here. Palmer is much more talented than him, a much better pure footballer, that's so obvious to me having followed football for nearly four decades and watching both play. But Palmer isn't attractive and doesn't play for Real Madrid, he plays for a lesser club, so not as much seems to be made of him.
You see people talk up stuff like his assist against Dortmund, and it's the old Ronaldo thing again - he was an abomination in that final, but one assist changes people's mind. And there's loads of examples of Jude playing poorly but covering it with goal or assist stats. It's one of my pet peeves about football these days as people know.
Pretty horrible how some players can do the bare minimum throughout a game, but they score and it is all forgotten. Whereas other footballers break their back but receive no credit because they aren't stats merchants.
I am sure El Gato will scoff at this post, but there is a culture of 'superstardom' that overrates certain players. It's very real. The world as a whole has got more shallow and superficial and more concerned with fashion, hair etc, so why wouldn't this infect football too? You're mad if you think football is immune to it. Look at Grealish - he isn't good looking really but has been pushed as so, and hence his fame is far more than his football ability (even though I rate him as a footballer somewhat). Even back in the day, Beckham - very good player but would be nowhere near as famous if he wasn't 'so handsome'.
The same way there's way better actors than Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise in Hollywood and around the world, but they're two of the most famous because of their looks.
Not saying Bellingham isn't a good player - but the hype is not commensurate with the reality of his ability. Not at all. There's lots of better players who are nowhere near as hyped as him.
Same thing is happening here. Palmer is much more talented than him, a much better pure footballer, that's so obvious to me having followed football for nearly four decades and watching both play. But Palmer isn't attractive and doesn't play for Real Madrid, he plays for a lesser club, so not as much seems to be made of him.
You see people talk up stuff like his assist against Dortmund, and it's the old Ronaldo thing again - he was an abomination in that final, but one assist changes people's mind. And there's loads of examples of Jude playing poorly but covering it with goal or assist stats. It's one of my pet peeves about football these days as people know.
Pretty horrible how some players can do the bare minimum throughout a game, but they score and it is all forgotten. Whereas other footballers break their back but receive no credit because they aren't stats merchants.
I am sure El Gato will scoff at this post, but there is a culture of 'superstardom' that overrates certain players. It's very real. The world as a whole has got more shallow and superficial and more concerned with fashion, hair etc, so why wouldn't this infect football too? You're mad if you think football is immune to it. Look at Grealish - he isn't good looking really but has been pushed as so, and hence his fame is far more than his football ability (even though I rate him as a footballer somewhat). Even back in the day, Beckham - very good player but would be nowhere near as famous if he wasn't 'so handsome'.
The same way there's way better actors than Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise in Hollywood and around the world, but they're two of the most famous because of their looks.
Not saying Bellingham isn't a good player - but the hype is not commensurate with the reality of his ability. Not at all. There's lots of better players who are nowhere near as hyped as him.
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Don Juan Laporta Estruch
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Daniellooo Olmo is superior to him in every facet of the game, bar tackling. But if Barca fans can't see it, there's little chance anyone else will. Though a truer statement in football you will never find.
Maradona37
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That's only part of it. But you cannot deny that it plays a part. For the record I don't think he's 'handsome' at all, but a lot of people do, and pretty privilege is very real even within football.
It's more to do with the fact that he's more of a stats guy. He doesn't have the dribbling, passing, close control, ability in tight spaces, vision, football IQ others do.
Are you seriously denying that Palmer has a better first touch, close control, is a better passer, better vision, better in tight spaces etc? Bellingham will pop up with a moment but Palmer will do all that throughout the game. If you deny Palmer's superiority in these areas then you are just not debating in good faith.
Like I say he's a good player but he's definitely not this amazing player some keep trying to convince us he is. Will he become that? He has a lot of work to do on his all-round game.
But as I said to Rory I am willing to watch him more and see if I am being harsh. But you compare him to someone like Modric - Modric is/was a much more qualitative footballer, he did things throughout the 90 mins. Whereas Bellingham looks invisible a lot (or does when I watch him) then pops up with a goal. It's no wonder Real Madrid can't control games often and rely on individual brilliance. Bruno Fernandes is the same at Man United. United and Real Madrid have long been great in the counter-attack so they suit players like these who aren't good in congested space or playing through tight areas either with dribbling or one and two touch passing. The way the two teams play naturally means more space on the break.
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Like I say it is a push back against the insane hype around the boy.
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Maradona37
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What I am really trying to say is he just doesn't seem like the type of guy who is brilliant at link-up, one and two touch passing in tight areas, wriggling away from people in tight areas, he doesn't have great speed on the half-turn or dexterity and seems quite cumbersome (he could never in a million years do what Messi did to Gvardiol for instance) and just general playmaking and putting moves together.
He seems more like a guy who thrives when he has space to make a pass (Pogba was the same, very overrated in talent and needed space to pass or dribble, lost the ball constantly when pressed), or when he can come into the box and get on the end of things. He just seems like your typical moments/highlights type player who will get on the end of things but not playmake throughout the game.
Obviously he's a better player than Maddison overall, but Maddison is one example of a non-hyped player who can do all that stuff I am talking about - close control, link up playmaking. But of course individual brilliance has its uses too otherwise the likes of Bellingham would never have made it to Real Madrid.
You just rarely see him pass through eyes of needles in tight spaces, put moves together like old Barca could. He's just not that sort of player. He thrives in big spaces and being on end of things, not on the nitty gritty and playing through eyes of needles.
And like I said before - being tall and strong doesn't automatically make him good defensively.
He seems more like a guy who thrives when he has space to make a pass (Pogba was the same, very overrated in talent and needed space to pass or dribble, lost the ball constantly when pressed), or when he can come into the box and get on the end of things. He just seems like your typical moments/highlights type player who will get on the end of things but not playmake throughout the game.
Obviously he's a better player than Maddison overall, but Maddison is one example of a non-hyped player who can do all that stuff I am talking about - close control, link up playmaking. But of course individual brilliance has its uses too otherwise the likes of Bellingham would never have made it to Real Madrid.
You just rarely see him pass through eyes of needles in tight spaces, put moves together like old Barca could. He's just not that sort of player. He thrives in big spaces and being on end of things, not on the nitty gritty and playing through eyes of needles.
And like I said before - being tall and strong doesn't automatically make him good defensively.
Maradona37
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Anyway (sorry for multiple posts) - maybe I am being way too harsh on him. He just does not seem like my type of footballer, that is all.
Maradona37
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I am not a 'scouser' - I am Scottish and hate Gerrard for a start. I prefer Liverpool to plenty of the big English clubs but I don't exactly like them - I would and have supprted Barca against them, and would much rather someone like Brighton beat the cunts to the league. I just like Salah and much prefer them to United and Arsenal.
Either way, you are taking my comments out of context. I spoke about pretty privilege (and it is a thing in football whether you like it or not - see Beckham's fame relative to his ability, it's insane to just dismiss it given the shallow world we live in) but I also talked a lot about his ability relative to others. Nice to see you just skipped all the talk of Palmer etc.
Either way, you are taking my comments out of context. I spoke about pretty privilege (and it is a thing in football whether you like it or not - see Beckham's fame relative to his ability, it's insane to just dismiss it given the shallow world we live in) but I also talked a lot about his ability relative to others. Nice to see you just skipped all the talk of Palmer etc.
Maradona37
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Also, your wording is an insight into our difference in what we consider important - you think he's a great player because he is 'successful' , whereas I rate him on his football attributes, not what he wins or how many goals he scores.
You are talking about trophies and stats, I am talking about ability.
He's been more 'successful' than Palmer so far in his career, but is he better at actually playing football? Is he fuck.
You are talking about trophies and stats, I am talking about ability.
He's been more 'successful' than Palmer so far in his career, but is he better at actually playing football? Is he fuck.
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