Jair Ventura
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I think your expectations are unrealistic tbh. He’s playing like one of the best forwards in the world yet you’re speaking as if he’s being carried like a passenger.
Kylian Mbappé
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I think your expectations are unrealistic tbh. He’s playing like one of the best forwards in the world yet you’re speaking as if he’s being carried like a passenger.
You may be right.
I'm taking into account his huge cost that shakles us with FFP. I want him to show we were right to sacrifice balance in the squad and be stellar.
He is doing good but not great imo.
I hope we get Ndombele this summer. Would be great midfield trio with Verratti ans Paredes.
I'm taking into account his huge cost that shakles us with FFP. I want him to show we were right to sacrifice balance in the squad and be stellar.
He is doing good but not great imo.
I hope we get Ndombele this summer. Would be great midfield trio with Verratti ans Paredes.
He has won a World Cup already, which gives him a special status.
Secondly, moving to what you call a big club to win CL is the act of a coward unless his current club is dragging him back.
So far, Mbappé has been pretty meh in big CL games.
I could understand that logic for Neymar that is clearly above the rest at PSG and, even him can't really claim much because he has been injured at the crucial times.
Secondly, moving to what you call a big club to win CL is the act of a coward unless his current club is dragging him back.
So far, Mbappé has been pretty meh in big CL games.
I could understand that logic for Neymar that is clearly above the rest at PSG and, even him can't really claim much because he has been injured at the crucial times.
DonAndres
Wild Man of Borneo
Idk, even if he isn't close to Messi/Neymar's level in generating offense he's still a world class forward at the age of 20. He'll never be a Messi type of player. Messi is unique, like a "quarterback" in a sport that doesn't have one. Only guys like Maradona/Zico/Ronaldinho/Neymar have even imitated the role he plays on the field and Neymar does it far less effectively and efficiently. Mbappe reminds me of a young R9 quite a bit in how explosive he is and relentless at attacking the defense. He definitely will rely on his athleticism throughout his career though, and I don't believe that he's the specimen that Cristiano is to have the same longevity. Though I doubt he falls off a cliff the way R9 did after destroying his knees.
He bangs in goals for fun in Ligue 1 and has done well in both the CL and WC too. He's only "underperforming" if you expect him to be a kind of player that he isn't, which is immensely unfair. I do think things will be a lot harder for him in the CL without Neymar beside him, but I guess we'll see against United.
He bangs in goals for fun in Ligue 1 and has done well in both the CL and WC too. He's only "underperforming" if you expect him to be a kind of player that he isn't, which is immensely unfair. I do think things will be a lot harder for him in the CL without Neymar beside him, but I guess we'll see against United.
R9 was able to take the ball from the half of the pitch and dribble past all his opponents and the goalkeeper. He was not bad at header either.
Mbappé is very far from that. Worst player ever at header, not succesful in dribble since a few months and bad finishing.
Still he bags a lot of goals and assists because he is good but far from those legends.
I expect him to play like a legend because we paid for a legendary talent.
I seem harsh but if i pay for a Ferrari i want exceptional performances and not an alfa Romeo.
Dunno if you guys saw prime Ronaldo play but the guy was something else before his injury. He had the whole package.
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Enjoy your life
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i read some psg forums sometimes and it seem like psg fans rate mbappe much less and are more critical than outsider fans.
non-psg fans rate him as top 5 in the world and some think better than neymar.
which one is true?
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
Young players usually goes through this process, early on they show flashes of greatness, then they shot greatness and everyone goes hyping them like crazy with some unrealistic expectations in the way they carry the team, then their weaknesses get exposed with the magnified lens of expectations, finally they respond (if they are true super stars)
Messi himself -who is the GOAT- went through same process when people expected him to carry badly coached Argentina's team to glory in 2010 & 2011, he wasn't their yet in terms of ability to carry that load.
Mpabbe will be fine. He is generational talent for sure.
BS: I know PSG don't agree with that argument, but I believe the only thing that can set him back is overstaying in Ligue 1. I think he should leave when he 23-25 but since his likely destination is RM I wish you keep him
DonAndres
Wild Man of Borneo
Prime R9 was definitely more complete than Mbappe even at Mbappe's age. However, he was derailed badly by injuries. Mbappe, despite being more raw (and less talented), will have a long career to improve his sloppiness/inconsistency and keep bagging goals and assists.
Think about it this way. A young 19/20 year old Messi is worth like 350+ million at least in today's market. A young R9, at the time that he was scoring 47 goals for Barca in his first season, would be worth even more like 400-450+. Hell, R9 actually broke the world transfer record twice before he turned 21, unlike Mbappe. Of course Messi ended up being better and worth way more but he took unfathomable leaps in his game that no one expected when he was 19, whereas the hype around R9 was huge from the start and everyone knew what kind of beast he'd be throughout his career.
Mbappe today should still be worth like 250 million at the very most, having counted his WC campaign and highly productive start to this season. So with that in mind he's still in unbelievable company. He's way superior to CR at the same age, that is undoubted. But, again, CR took massive leaps in his game in his early 20's that no one expected like Messi did.
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
Other than significant height difference I really feel Henry is a very good comparison, though Mpabbe is way advanced than Henry at same age tbh
Non PSG fans will see he scored 1 goal and got one assist today. It is enough for them.
PSG fans will see he wasted a good opportunity when the goalkeeper misjudged a ball and let the goal empty, only for Mbappé to do a crappy shot.
He was crucial for our win today with his involvment in 2 goals but i would want him to be more of a leader. To see the opponent fear him, to see him take on 1 or 2 guys and open the space for someone else.
It might be weird but, last year, he had way worse stats. However, he was more special: his movement, passes and even his shooting were better in a sense. It was like he was doing everything just the right way.
This year, he has developped into a consistent scorer while his finishing skills have worsen.
I do agree with the Guy saying it is a necessity step for a young player. I even suspect the long World Cup journey to affect him. Kimpembe is considerably worse this season too.
I mostly react because PSG took a great risk by signing Neymar and Mbappe. The former is injured a second season in a row for the CL and the second one can't step up to the challenge.
Frustrating.
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Jair Ventura
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I honestly don’t understand why you’re so critical of him. Especially in the midst of a spectacular season:
- First, you continually fall back on his fee, which he’s already justified via winning the WC in historic fashion and thereby becoming one of the worlds most recognizable(marketable) players.
- Speaking of recognizable players, iconic mega stars like Neymar and Kylian give legitimacy to Ligue 1 and PSG. They put butts in seats, they grow the PSG brand and supporter base, and they attract sponsors and broadcasters. The latter of which has culminated in an historic domestic broadcasting deal with Media Pro, which will lift all of Ligue 1. You’ll also notice that PSG has established lucrative relationships with globally recognizable brands like Jordan & Babe. A direct result of signing some of the worlds biggest stars.
- You’re comparing his form this season to his form last season absent of any context. Last year he played mostly on the RW in an unbalanced 4-3-3 that was disproportionately reliant on he and Neymar’s individual brilliance. So while he had more time and space on the ball isolated on the right, he was ultimately less effective and less effeicient because there was too much space between he and the ST, whom he didn’t share a strong cohesion with. While Neymar, whom he shared a connection with, was stuck on the opposite wing, making it impossible for them to play off one another.
This season, under Tuchel, the tactical set up has been far more flexible, and he’s no longer spending most of his time on the RW. Instead, Tuchel has moved him closer to the middle in an effort to bring greater proximity to Neymar, who has moved from the LW to a creative #10 role behind the ST’s. With Neymar playing behind Kylian & Cavani, the three have developed an impressive chemistry only shared by the very best forward lines. The inter-play between Neymar and Kylian specifically has been nothing short of special, and you’ll note that both his goal scoring and assist records are far stronger this season than last.
- The above tactical set up has allowed PSG to get off to an historic start in Ligue 1, while also topping the toughest of the UCL groups.
- This isn’t just for you, but for everyone: Stop comparing Kylian to great players that came before him. He isn’t O Fenômeno, or Messi, or Ronaldo. He isn’t even Henry, nor does he have to be in order to be fairly recognized as a great player, so let’s stop analyzing him through the lenses of those names and how they played. He doesn’t have to carry their traits, or have the exact same skills to be great. Let him be Kylian Mbappé.
I always have been thinking how big a talent messi was considered back through his youth. I know club had a pretty good opinion on him and he skipped the grades, but how good was Messi exactly considered in juvenil, b-team and first 2-3 years? Because it kinda sounds like R9 just had the bigger all-around foodball talent? Didnt follow the team before 08/09 so wasnt really around in own time.
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