Kylian Mbappé

Leo_Messi

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By who. Be precise and then we'll decide whether you're being sensitive to mainstream opinions and unable to filter out the relevant message or if it's something else. You've inserted yourself into a conversation that stemmed from last night's game and most of the discussion since has been pretty factual with mostly one stat that triggering numerous members for being just a stat comparing a current PSG player with a legend of the game. Do elaborate.



Who? Again, give an example.



Do tell why you ought not to consider it given the landscape of strikers is a scorched ground.

All you're doing in most threads is getting outraged by the popular opinion without going any deeper into the reasons why it was even formulated. Why do you think he's worth that much? Why do you think France win the World Cup with him and lose the Euro without him? Come on man, being a contrarian for the sake of it while CLEARLY carrying some ill thought towards PSG is where you're making it difficult for yourself.

Are you joking? By the footballing community as a whole. Various journalists, forums, Reddit, Redcafe and elsewhere. There is nothing to filter here, lol. What makes you think that I was referring to this forum? I did not even read the posts in this thread before I posted my message.

What? Consider and "buying him at all costs" are two completely different scenarios. You are proving my point.

What are you blabbering about? My opinions are spot on. There is zero controversy about stating what I have stated about Mbappé. Zero. Him being a slightly better version of a Thierry Henry at his best, provided that he remains injury free, is more of praise than being a "contrarian". Or stating a fact, namely that his performance was nothing special against a mediocre Man Utd team (in particular defence) and manager.

What has me not liking QSG to do with anything? Is you being a RM fan preventing you from admitting or realizing that Messi has been the best footballer in the past 10+ years? Most RM fans don't have this problem, even more so after CR left.

If anything you are the contrarian here and proving my point about his hype. Either that or you did not watch a prime Thierry Henry in action.
 

El Gato

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Are you joking? By the footballing community as a whole. Various journalists, forums, Reddit, Redcafe and elsewhere. There is nothing to filter here, lol.

Mate... Do you even know what it means to 'filter' opinions?

What? Consider and "buying him at all costs" are two completely different scenarios. You are proving my point.

Mate......

What are you blabbering about? My opinions are spot on. There is zero controversy about stating what I have stated about Mbappé. Zero.

Mate......!

What has me not liking QSG to do with anything? (...) If anything you are the contrarian here and proving my point about his hype. Either that or you did not watch a prime Thierry Henry in action.

Right. I guess I am the contrarian with a forum taking every opportunity to take digs at a club and its players and thinking there's nothing wrong with their judgement :lol:
 

Vilarrubi

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By who. Be precise and then we'll decide whether you're being sensitive to mainstream opinions and unable to filter out the relevant message or if it's something else. You've inserted yourself into a conversation that stemmed from last night's game and most of the discussion since has been pretty factual with mostly one stat triggering numerous members for being just a stat comparing a current PSG player with a legend of the game. Do elaborate.



Who? Again, give an example.

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Have you been living under a rock? (Maybe so with your Gabriel Jesus being a top 10 striker post) He doesn't have to show specific posts to show that in general the whole footballing community thinks of Mbappe as the "next big thing".... it's been everywhere for the last year or two and in his opinion he thinks they are getting carried away, he explained his reasons why....... just standard forum chat and opinion.
 

El Gato

Villarato!
He doesn't have to show specific posts to show that in general the whole footballing community thinks of Mbappe as the "next big thing"

The question wasn't whether he's the next big thing. The question was how is he precisely being overrated, by whom and if we should care.

But of course:
QSG is too irrelevant for me to hate
Crikey. Guess this is the same attitude as that during Chelsea 2004-2007 episode.

There seems to be nothing to add to this sort of conversation in any way. PSG related threads are mostly an EV-thread lite version.
 

Leo_Messi

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Mate... Do you even know what it means to 'filter' opinions?



Mate......



Mate......!



Right. I guess I am the contrarian with a forum taking every opportunity to take digs at a club and its players and thinking there's nothing wrong with their judgement :lol:

Do you know the meaning of a prevalent opinion or discourse? Are you going to deny that he is hyped? In particular by people who don't watch him on a weekly basis. Do you even watch him on a weekly yourself to know whether a comparison with a PRIME Thierry Henry is a dig towards him or being a "contrarian"? Highly doubtful that you do. No offense. Or could it be that I was right? Mbappé has always been and to date is mostly compared with Thierry Henry for a reason.

I was right.

Yes, by praising various QSG players since ages and openly telling that QSG is my dark horse for the CL this season as one of the few users here if not the only one that I have seen. So much hate and bias!

Once again, QSG is too irrelevant for me to hate. Never been biased against any individual QSG players. Always rated the likes of Mbappé, Neymar, Verratti, Marquinhos, Silva etc.

Don't confuse me putting deluded QSG fans like Jair Ventura in their place and the two other ones when they write nonsense, with me being "obsessed" about QSG. A club that with all due respect have been nobodies in Europe in this post Qatar era. They were doing better in the mid 1990's.

Anyway what do you want me to say? That he is the next Messi? Shall I go overboard and praise him for the game yesterday when he was not even QSG's best player? What is it?

Lastly, does your much greater dislike for FCB than my dislike for QSG, prevent you from rating Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Ronaldinho and countless of other players? Can you see how stupid that argument is when it holds zero weight in reality?

Have you been living under a rock? (Maybe so with your Gabriel Jesus being a top 10 striker post) He doesn't have to show specific posts to show that in general the whole footballing community thinks of Mbappe as the "next big thing".... it's been everywhere for the last year or two and in his opinion he thinks they are getting carried away, he explained his reasons why....... just standard forum chat and opinion.

Precisely. It's not like I was NOT praising Mbappé. Being compared with a slightly better PRIME Thierry Henry is considered as not only praise for anyone that saw a prime Thierry Henry in action but high praise as Thierry Henry is arguably the best player in EPL history. All-time topscorer for France and Arsenal, World Cup winner (similar age as Mbappé moreover), European Championship winner, treble winner, multiple EPL winner, FA Cup winner, a key part of the invinsibles that finished an entire 38 round campaign in the EPL undefeated, part of the most successful club team in history (sextete), highest scoring foreigner in EPL history, most assists for a foreigner moreover if I am not wrong etc. List is very wrong. Mbappé would consider himself very lucky to end his career with such accolades. In fact I would be quite surprised if Mbappé would ever reach heights higher than a prime Thierry Henry when thinking about it.
 
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cracken

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Why are people overrating this guy so much?.


Why wouldn't they? Who in his age bracket is doing what he's doing at the moment? He just had a world cup that more established players would give an arm to have and he continues to be decisive in the CL.

If it's not Mbappe, who should the public hail as the next big thing?
 
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Leo_Messi

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Why wouldn't they? Who in his age bracket is doing what he's doing at the moment? He just had a world cup that more established players would give an arm to have and he continues to be decisive in the CL.

If it's not Mbappe, who should the public hail as the next big thing?

I don't care about the "next big thing" tag. Rate Dembélé higher than Mbappé. It's about not comparing him with freaking Messi, Pelé, R9 and CR already to mention a few.

Winning the World Cup with the most stacked team while not being the best player (not even close) and Griezmann being the most important offensive outlet by far, is what it is. The World Cup nowadays is not what it once was either. Not taking anything away from him but the hype and overreactions are a real thing.

Anyway I think that I have made myself perfectly clear. Can't bother with those who either cannot understand or won't understand what I have written.
 
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cracken

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Winning the World Cup with the most stacked team while not being the best player (not even close) and Griezmann being the most important offensive outlet by far, is what it is.

Those are highly debatable points imo, especially the second part. He pretty much destroyed Argentina on his own and was the launching point of almost every counter-attack throughout the tournament. There is a reason why he topped the French players ratings ( not that stats are the be all end all, but it's something to think about)
 
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D10S_JC

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If you compare Mbappe to Messi and CR at 20, you'd find they haven't reached even half of what Mbappe has achieved.

R9 and Pele are the greatest player under 20, and Mbappe is not far from them.
 

Leo_Messi

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Those are highly debatable points imo, especially the second part. He pretty much destroyed Argentina on his own and was the launching point of almost every counter-attack throughout the tournament. There is a reason why he topped the French players ratings ( not that stats are the be all end all, but it's something to think about)

Griezmann was the better and more important player. There is pretty much a consensus about this. Once again France was hardly impressive in the World Cup. They had an easy route. Most stacked team. Favorite to win it beforehand as well. Not overly impressed to say the least. Not to mention that the level at a World Cup is significantly lower than in the CL.

If you compare Mbappe to Messi and CR at 20, you'd find they haven't reached even half of what Mbappe has achieved.

R9 and Pele are the greatest player under 20, and Mbappe is not far from them.

That is the thing. You don't compare a player, no matter how good he is, that has had 2.5 elite seasons under his belt, with all-time greats. There have been plenty of early bloomers, maybe not at the level of Mbappé but not too far away, that have disappeared later on.

A young pre-injury ridden R9 was twice the player that Mbappé is if that can even do it. The only player comparable to Messi (at his best) talent wise. People don't really know what they are talking about if they think otherwise.

Mbappé's current level is comparable to Thierry Henry and his potential to a prime level Thierry Henry or just above. Silly to compare Mbappé with all-time greats like Messi, Pelé etc. who had/have much more to their game than he will ever have. Laughable in fact.
 
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Morten

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If you compare Mbappe to Messi and CR at 20, you'd find they haven't reached even half of what Mbappe has achieved.

R9 and Pele are the greatest player under 20, and Mbappe is not far from them.


Mbappe has achieved more than Messi and Ronaldo at the same age, and is a more effective goalscorer than either of them at that age.
Ronaldos stats in particular were quite average until he was 22/23, thing is though, at some point, Messi and Ronaldos effectiveness in front of goal just exploded, there is no guarantee that Mbappe will become significantly more productive than he currently is, though its entirely possible.
 

Leo_Messi

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Mbappe has achieved more than Messi and Ronaldo at the same age, and is a more effective goalscorer than either of them at that age.
Ronaldos stats in particular were quite average until he was 22/23, thing is though, at some point Messi and Ronaldos goal distribution just exploded, there is no guarantee that Mbappe will become significantly more productive than he currently is, though its entirely possible.

Outside of those 14 goals ALL of his goals are being scored in the Ligue 1 (5th best league in Europe) for the by far most dominant team in France (QSG). A very old Ibra had numbers comparable to Messi and Ronaldo (almost) while playing for a much worse QSG than their current version. Cavani later even improved those numbers. Says it all.

Now people will mention that single Monaco season but they were one of the most offensive and goal-scoring teams in French football history and Mbappé was 1 offensive piece out of many that season. Even bums like Bakayoko looked like world beaters.

Messi's performance against RM as a 19 year old against Capello's RM, when he single-handedly won us 1 point by scoring a hattrick and controlling the game and dominating the best player in the world back then in Ronaldinho, is something that a 20 year old Mbappé has never done to date.

R9 had twice as impressive stats as well when he was Mbappé's age in a time period where there were better individual defenders IMO and when many fewer goals were scored on average.

Not to mention that Ronaldo was twice the player for Brazil than Mbappé has been for France.

When Ronaldo was 20 years old he had scored 145 goals (in 153 freaking club games!) for 3 club teams across 3 leagues. In one of those season he 47 goals in 49 games for us as a 20 year old!

24 goals in 34 games for Brazil as well. Winning the Copa América in 1997 and being declared the best player of the tournament. World Cup winner in 1994 as a 17 year old although not playing a single minute. 4 years later he was by far the best player during the World Cup in 1998 until that panic attack/strange episode before the final. Then 4 years later, allost half-crippled, he won the World Cup and was the topscorer in the process after being out for almost 3 fucking years!

In the 1997-98 season, just before his first serious knee injury, he scored 34 goals in 47 games in what was back then the by far best league in the world. Making a joke out of some of the best defenders in history in the process.

Speaking about Man Utd, Ronaldo had a 100 times better performance against a much superior Man Utd as an oldie where he scored a hattrick and was clapped off the pitch in a quarterfinal if I recall.

Won the Ballon d'Or Mbappé's age as well.

An insult to compare R9 with Mbappé. End of discussion.

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Forget twice, Ronaldo was thrice the player! The only player that I have watched where I am genially unsure if Messi was the bigger talent. Taking about pre-injury Ronaldo here. That guy had everything. Brutal strength and a brutal pace. Insane dribbling, goalscoring etc. The most elite defenders were scared shitless of him and entire training sessions were created to work on how to stop him. You have Youtube videos of a prime Thuram and Desailly taking the piss and talking about him like he was an alien.
 
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cracken

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Griezmann was the better and more important player. There is pretty much a consensus about this. Once again France was hardly impressive in the World Cup. They had an easy route. Most stacked team. Favorite to win it beforehand as well. Not overly impressed to say the least. Not to mention that the level at a World Cup is significantly lower than in the CL.

I don't feel like there is a consensus in France at all. Griezmann had more impact on set pieces and penalties but in open play? I just didn't see it. Mbappe was the one using his pace to attack every inch of space and get into dangerous postions. The game against Argentina was the best individual performance by a French player in the tournament.

But like you said, France didn't play dazzling attacking football, they mostly sat deep and countered. The team just didn't generate enough offense for me to determine with certainty that Griezmann was " by far" more important than Mbappe. At the end of the day, the bulk of the credit shoud go to the defensive bloc, especially guys like Hernandez, Kante, and Pogba.
 

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