Kylian Mbappé

[Morten]

thats the big question but nobody knows the answer yet. hes undoubtedly one of the most talented players for his age but time will tell if he turns into a goal machine like CR. Messi is in another league to CR, Mbappe, anyone basically so unless Mbappe becomes the best goal scorer + one of the best playmakers on top, Messi level won't be reached (not just talking about assist stats here either)

I'd say R9 is the most talented youngster i've ever seen, Mbappe is more Henry levels. Rooney was also amazing as a teenager and never really fulfilled the potential he promised so its early to tell

when you compare Mbappe at the same age to Messi/Cristiano you have to take into account neither of those 2 were guaranteed starters and had to fight for their place, ofcourse both were promising players. Mbappe is the 2nd most expensive player ever and is pretty much 100% a starter - one could argue hes guaranteed because of his talent alone but i think price tag has to play a part also

Messi and CR, especially CR, really only took off at 22 or something, quite a few players were better at a young age than CR, but his career took an "unusual" turn at some point and just exploded from there.
Its not so easy to make comparisons yet.

 

[Jair Ventura]

when you compare Mbappe at the same age to Messi/Cristiano you have to take into account neither of those 2 were guaranteed starters and had to fight for their place, ofcourse both were promising players. Mbappe is the 2nd most expensive player ever and is pretty much 100% a starter - one could argue hes guaranteed because of his talent alone but i think price tag has to play a part also

Why do you imagine clubs were willing to spend so much on Kylian?

 

[D10S_JC]

Only few players can score that goal against United like him, the goal is not a simple tap-in. You can see his insane pace and how to outpace two defenders.

He brought that Monaco to CL semi-final and won the league, he scored 7 goals in 9 eliminatory phrase of CL.
He has proved himself in the World Cup, he's the youngest player to score in the final after Pele.

It's a fallacy to keep saying he haven't proven himself in the highest level.

 

[Leo_Messi]

thats the big question but nobody knows the answer yet. hes undoubtedly one of the most talented players for his age but time will tell if he turns into a goal machine like CR. Messi is in another league to CR, Mbappe, anyone basically so unless Mbappe becomes the best goal scorer + one of the best playmakers on top, Messi level won't be reached (not just talking about assist stats here either)

I'd say R9 is the most talented youngster i've ever seen, Mbappe is more Henry levels. Rooney was also amazing as a teenager and never really fulfilled the potential he promised so its early to tell

when you compare Mbappe at the same age to Messi/Cristiano you have to take into account neither of those 2 were guaranteed starters and had to fight for their place, ofcourse both were promising players. Mbappe is the 2nd most expensive player ever and is pretty much 100% a starter - one could argue hes guaranteed because of his talent alone but i think price tag has to play a part also

No, we don't know anything with certainty but we can speculate and argue our case. At least from what I have seen from Mbappé so far (and I have probably seen more than most users here if I should make a guess), I don't see him ever reaching the heights of the all-time greats unless he adds several new facets to his game and improves on those that he has already.

Goals should not be everything otherwise Gerd Müller would be the GOAT as he has most things going for him in this regard.

So you agree with the Thierry Henry comparisons? Nice to see. Never heard any other comparisons really. Serious that is.

Not sure if I agree with the Rooney comparison. I feel that he was a tier below a young Mbappé.

Fine to compare his goals etc. with a 20 year old Messi and C. Ronaldo but one is missing the context completely when doing that.

Anyway I would be very surprised to see Mbappé ever reaching the heights of C. Ronaldo let alone Messi and most importantly the insane consistency that those two have shown for 10+ years. On the other hand few would have believed that a 20 year old Messi and C. Ronaldo would be as dominant as they have been so you never know.

Only few players can score that goal against United like him, the goal is not a simple tap-in. You can see his insane pace and how to outpace two defenders.

He brought that Monaco to semi-final and won the league, he scored 7 goals in 9 eliminatory phrase of CL.
He has proved himself in the World Cup, he's the youngest player to score in the final after Pele.

It's a fallacy to keep saying he haven't proven himself in the highest level.

Wait a second. Who has said that he has not proven himself on the highest level? What kind of nonsense claim is that?

There is a difference from rating him, highly at that too, to already comparing him with all-time greats of the game 2.5 seasons into his senior career. Is that so hard to understand or this controversial? I don't get it.

 

[El Gato]

Is that your level?

So you are trying to argue against the average RM having a much greater antipathy to their by far main rivals in FCB, over my supposed dislike for QSG that is bound more in their owners and how they came to be than to actual dislike of the football club let alone their players many of whom I like while never making a secret out of it.

Interesting. Not a score out of 10, which I thought would have been the easiest way to settle this, but interesting. Not my stance either, but still, interesting.

Turns out that you are a slightly worse version than Jair. (...) I mean your reputation on this forum cannot be any worse so I guess that I will let you continue where you started from.

[MENTION=19661]Jair Ventura[/MENTION]
We got bad rep don't we

Completely inane opinions that are backed only by his self assured ignorance, a complete lack of self awareness, constantly combative, champions his own argumentation as he’s arguing, etc.

In some ways it makes for a very easy conversation

 

[Jair Ventura]

Only few players can score that goal against United like him, the goal is not a simple tap-in. You can see his insane pace and how to outpace two defenders.

He brought that Monaco to CL semi-final and won the league, he scored 7 goals in 9 eliminatory phrase of CL.
He has proved himself in the World Cup, he's the youngest player to score in the final after Pele.

It's a fallacy to keep saying he haven't proven himself in the highest level.

So much this. Anyone writing off his goal against United as a simple tap in simply doesn’t know football. The timing and understanding of space that required, never mind the confidence to split two defenders on his run was simply phenomenal. Never mind the fact that he lead PSG’s line as a traditional 9 at Old Trafford on a huge European night.

 

[Leo_Messi]

Interesting. Not a score out of 10, which I thought would have been the easiest way to settle this, but interesting. Not my stance either, but still, interesting.


[MENTION=19661]Jair Ventura[/MENTION]
We got bad rep don't we



In some ways it makes for a very easy conversation

More idiotic one-liners and stupidity for all to see.

Yes, it is so outrageous to think that a RM fan has a bigger chip on his shoulder in regards to RM's main rivals in FCB, than I have against a European nobody in QSG that my club (FCB) has demolished in every CL tie to date post Qatar takeover.

Yet you apparently concluded that I have a big dislike towards QSG and thus I could not be objective (while nothing could be further from the truth - backed up by my actual statements and posts on this forum) but somehow my claim is more outrageous.

You could not make this shit up. Anyway continue the idiotic one-liners.

So much this. Anyone writing off his goal against United as a simple tap in simply doesn’t know football. The timing and understanding of space that required, never mind the confidence to split two defenders on his run was simply phenomenal. Never mind the fact that he lead PSG’s line as a traditional 9 at Old Trafford on a huge European night.

Another idiotic and empty claim. First an empty claim of "Mbappé not having proved himself on the highest levels" by God knows which user, and now talk about a tap in. Yes, should not waste my time further indeed.

 

[Morten]

So much this. Anyone writing off his goal against United as a simple tap in simply doesn’t know football. The timing and understanding of space that required, never mind the confidence to split two defenders on his run was simply phenomenal. Never mind the fact that he lead PSG’s line as a traditional 9 at Old Trafford on a huge European night.

Keep in mind that Barcelona-fans are "special", they are probably the only fans in the world that dont value tap-ins(even if this goal was more than just a tap-in).
No, you have to outplay the opponent with great passing, dribble a couple of players and then chip it over the gk, otherwise the goal is "average".

 

[Bulgroz]

Also, there are at least two things Mbappe can improve on: regularity. He still has some very average/shitty games, and ones where he single handedly crush the other team (Argentina, city for his first year in Monaco, Marseille this season in only two minutes...). If he manages to keep that incredible level on a more regular basis, he'll be several steps above what he already is now (one of the best strikers in the world, at age 50).

The second thing is his position on the pitch. He mostly played RW last season (and this summer with France). But to me he can really become a beast as a 9 (he often played as a second striker in Monaco, with Falcao, but against Utd he was the only CF). His first touch and ability to shoot in every angle, very fast is actually reminiscent of R9, more than Henry. And by the way, Henry was WAY below Mbappe at the same age. Yeah, he also won a WC early, but his role in the French NT back then was very limited, as opposed to Kylian (though I agree with Leo_Messi on the fact that Griezmann was the best offensive player this summer). And Henry improved A LOT over the years. Why should Mbappe stay at the same level then? Why can't his decision making, regularity and finishing improve? Not saying it's a given either, but there's absolutely no reason to think otherwise. The fact remains that he's already doing some freaky shit while being only 20. Things no other 20 y o are doing. The simple fact that we have to resort to CR, R9 and Messi comparisons says a lot.

 

[DonAK]

He'll improve. Don't think he'll reach CR or Messi levels though. These guys were scoring 40+ league goals in a competitive Spanish league at their primes.

What I'm interested in seeing is how PSG and Mbappe approach a possible contract extension. Will he commit to a longer contract when talks start next year I'd assume, or will he run his contract down to one year in 2021 and consider his options overseas too.

 

[El Gato]

Yes, it is so outrageous to think that a RM fan has a bigger chip on his shoulder in regards to RM's main rivals in FCB, than I have against a European nobody in QSG that my club (FCB) has demolished in every CL tie to date post Qatar takeover.

Sooooo... my dislike for Barca is somewhere at 11/10, right? Come on man. I've never quantified this, I'm not sure myself, we might as well get there. Don't give up now!

PS You're getting better at being more concise. Keep at it

 

[Leo_Messi]

Also, there are at least two things Mbappe can improve on: regularity. He still has some very average/shitty games, and ones where he single handedly crush the other team (Argentina, city for his first year in Monaco, Marseille this season in only two minutes...). If he manages to keep that incredible level on a more regular basis, he'll be several steps above what he already is now (one of the best strikers in the world, at age 50).

The second thing is his position on the pitch. He mostly played RW last season (and this summer with France). But to me he can really become a beast as a 9 (he often played as a second striker in Monaco, with Falcao, but against Utd he was the only CF). His first touch and ability to shoot in every angle, very fast is actually reminiscent of R9, more than Henry. And by the way, Henry was WAY below Mbappe at the same age. Yeah, he also won a WC early, but his role in the French NT back then was very limited, as opposed to Kylian (though I agree with Leo_Messi on the fact that Griezmann was the best offensive player this summer). And Henry improved A LOT over the years. Why should Mbappe stay at the same level then? Why can't his decision making, regularity and finishing improve? Not saying it's a given either, but there's absolutely no reason to think otherwise. The fact remains that he's already doing some freaky shit while being only 20. Things no other 20 y o are doing. The simple fact that we have to resort to CR, R9 and Messi comparisons says a lot.

Agree for the most part and you seem to agree with me as in previous discussions of ours.

However I want to make it clear. I was not talking about Thierry Henry being a better younger player than Mbappé or better as 20 year old as that would be utterly ridiculous. I was talking about how I value Mbappé's celling/potential based on what I have seen SO FAR and in that being a slightly higher celling/potential than a prime Thierry Henry which is not bad company to be in, dare I say.

Of course, I could be completely wrong, and Mbappé will have a better career than all-time greats such as Messi. Is it more likely to occur than it not occurring? Not so sure about that one.

There is nothing really controversial (remotely) about anything that has been discussed in this thread lately so far, other than the trolling from certain users and my replies to it.

Keep in mind that Barcelona-fans are "special", they are probably the only fans in the world that dont value tap-ins(even if this goal was more than just a tap-in).
No, you have to outplay the opponent with great passing, dribble a couple of players and then chip it over the gk, otherwise the goal is "average".

Did you just invent that notion in your own head? Because if that was aimed at me, you could not be more wrong. Doubt that this caricature of an entire fan group has any accuracy.

 

[Morten]

He'll improve. Don't think he'll reach CR or Messi levels though. These guys were scoring 40+ league goals in a competitive Spanish league at their primes.

What I'm interested in seeing is how PSG and Mbappe approach a possible contract extension. Will he commit to a longer contract when talks start next year I'd assume, or will he run his contract down to one year in 2021 and consider his options overseas too.

How many times did both of them hit above 40 league goals? 4-5 times? Kinda crazy, though they did play for stacked teams as well, ofc.

 

[DonAK]

How many times did both of them hit above 40 league goals? 4-5 times? Kinda crazy, though they did play for stacked teams as well, ofc.

Messi also hit 50 goals while CR hit 45 goals.

And were scoring 10 goals in the CL those days too.

 

[Jair Ventura]

He'll improve. Don't think he'll reach CR or Messi levels though. These guys were scoring 40+ league goals in a competitive Spanish league at their primes.

What I'm interested in seeing is how PSG and Mbappe approach a possible contract extension. Will he commit to a longer contract when talks start next year I'd assume, or will he run his contract down to one year in 2021 and consider his options overseas too.

I don’t understand this logic. CR7 and Messi are still alive. They’re still playing at a high level, right now, today. What Kylian is doing, he’s doing during their reign. I say that to remind everyone that he’s already a legitimate footballing superstar.

If I’m being honest, Messi is the worlds best, but I’d probably take Kylian over CR7 right now.