Kylian Mbappé

[El Gato]

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Do you have a humanities degree or something? You really gotta learn how to be concise. At least BBZ uses bullet points

Not to mention these sorts of nuggets:

There is pretty much a consensus about this.

Can't bother with those who either cannot understand or won't understand what I have written.

 

[Leo_Messi]

Do you have a humanities degree or something? You really gotta learn how to be concise. At least BBZ uses bullet points

Not to mention these sorts of nuggets:

No, but I am pretty sure that you do.

Griezmann being the more influential performer offensively for France during the World Cup and the offensive outlet is no secret. Outside of the Argentina match against a pathetic Argentina defense, Griezmann was the key player. Much like 2 years prior.

 

[El Gato]

No, but I am pretty sure that you do.

Griezmann being the more influential performer offensively for France during the World Cup and the offensive outlet is no secret. Outside of the Argentina match against a pathetic Argentina defense, Griezmann was the key player. Much like 2 years prior.

If only.

Yep, nothing's a secret. There's indisputable consensus about everything.

But yeah, shorter posts dude. Shit's unbearable to read no matter how obsessed you are about providing content you think is relevant.

 

[Leo_Messi]

If only.

Yep, nothing's a secret. There's indisputable consensus about everything.

But yeah, shorter posts dude. Shit's unbearable to read no matter how obsessed you are about providing content you think is relevant.

Nobody cares what you want to read or not. As for obsession, all I see is your idiotic one-liners here and failure to argue your case. Don't get too worked up.

 

[Leo_Messi]

I don't feel like there is a consensus in France at all. Griezmann had more impact on set pieces and penalties but in open play? I just didn't see it. Mbappe was the one using his pace to attack every inch of space and get into dangerous postions. The game against Argentina was the best individual performance by a French player in the tournament.

But like you said, France didn't play dazzling attacking football, they mostly sat deep and countered. The team just didn't generate enough offense for me to determine with certainty that Griezmann was " by far" more important than Mbappe. At the end of the day, the bulk of the credit shoud go to the defensive bloc, especially guys like Hernandez, Kante, and Pogba.

Not seen a single renowned French expert or former player (non-French as well) claim that Mbappé was more important for France than Griezmann who was the offensive outlet for France.

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/world-cup-final-antoine-griezmann-kylian-mbappe-star/

Of France’s 14 goals in Russia, Griezmann either scored or set up eight of them. Hard to argue against him being the main offensive outlet with such stats around. Sure Mbappé was more spectacular in that game against a weak Argentina defense (his performance was kickstarted by a shocking but not surprising brainfart from Rojo), I give you that, but other than that? I think Griezmann edges it.

Not like he has not done it before. 2 years prior he was even more important for France reaching the final.

What makes you think that Mbappé was more of an offensive outlet?

 

[El Gato]

Nobody cares what you want to read or not. As for obsession, all I see is your idiotic one-liners here and failure to argue your case. Don't get too worked up.

Worked up? As in how? Do elaborate. Just don't make it over 10 lines man. I usually scroll past these until we can have a concise conversation where you don't droan say the same thing over and over again.

 

[Leo_Messi]

Worked up? As in how? Do elaborate. Just don't make it over 10 lines man. I usually scroll past these until we can have a concise conversation where you don't droan say the same thing over and over again.

You seem quite worked up. If it is too complicated for you just say it and safe me from reading moronic one-liners with no purpose, argument or any point whatsoever. I don't ever have any problems arguing my case whatever it is.

What do you want to discuss? There is nothing to discuss after that discussion yesterday where you had no replies and where you thought that a comparison with a slightly better prime Thierry Henry was some kind of insult or criticism labelled against Mbappé. Or your baseless claim of me disliking QSG thus I could not possibly be objective. That claim was also destroyed completely by my reply to you.

Griezmann being involved in 8 out of 14 of France's goals directly, is not being the main offensive outlet either? Pretty much a consensus given the reactions after the World Cup and articles that you can find online. Yet to see a single expert or article claiming that Mbappé was the main offensive outlet. If anything you seem to give much importance to stats and you got that as well.

But sure, Mbappé is the next Messi and Vinicius is the second coming of Ronaldo. God forbid that someone does not jump on the hype bandwagon.

You and Jair are a cute couple. Two of the leading trolls on Barcaforum although you are a bit more sophisticated than him not that this is saying a lot. Dear Lord.

 

[El Gato]

You seem quite worked up.

Nope

I don't ever have any problems arguing my case whatever it is.

I know. That's plain enough.

where you thought that a comparison with a slightly better prime Thierry Henry was some kind of insult or criticism labelled against Mbappé.

Nope. Never said it.

That claim was also destroyed completely by my reply to you.

But sure, Mbappé is the next Messi and Vinicius is the second coming of Ronaldo.

Huh?

PS I love how you posted a wall of text and cut it down. Do that more often bro, but try actually thinking through what you say before you post will ya?

 

[Leo_Messi]

Nope



I know. That's plain enough.



Nope. Never said it.







Huh?

PS I love how you posted a wall of text and cut it down. Do that more often bro, but try actually thinking through what you say before you post will ya?

You do. Otherwise you would not be quoting my posts for the sake of it as you have no arguments and are not being interested in any discussions whatsoever.

Good.

What was it about then? You talked about me being a contrarian (lol) for not buying the Mbappé comparisons with all-time greats later to write utter bullshit about me not being a fan of QSG, thus I could not possibly be objective while you could not have been more wrong as proven by my reply. Later I asked you if your much, much greater dislike for FCB (compared to my dislike for a European nobody like QSG), was clouding your judgement in how you rate Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Ronaldinho and others. No reply to that comment of mine.

If you think that my posts are "wall of texts" you have seen nothing yet.

BTW, I wished I had taken up law or something other than the chemical engineering degree that I finished. Not much humanities about that.

Now due to me rating that there is a consensus about Greizmann being the main offensive outlet player (probably the only thing that I wrote that could be discussed), based on stats that clearly confirm this as well as opinions of experts and various articles post World Cup, you are still yet to argue your case why that claim is wrong. Already wrote that Mbappé was and is the more spectacular player. That he is young and the new exciting thing that many people want to see succeeding and remove the Messi and Ronaldo dominance. However if you rewatch those boring France games and actually see who controlled most of the offensive play, you will realize that this guy was called Griezmann. The case was even more clearer 2 years prior.

And of course discussions are more exciting if you have your own views that you can argue for. Rather than parroting everyone else's opinions. Nothing to do with being a contrarian.

 

[Givenchy]

i didn't think he was all that great tbh but then we are judging Mbappe at a world class level and hes only 20 goal, close header and almost a 2nd is a good game for someone his age at this stage of the CL esp without Neymar-Cavani

hes certainly the next best thing but i doubt he'll reach Messi/Ronaldo peak levels. R9 was a better player than CR though and we'd say the latter had a better career so you never know

 

[Leo_Messi]

i didn't think he was all that great tbh but then we are judging Mbappe at a world class level and hes only 20 goal, close header and almost a 2nd is a good game for someone his age at this stage of the CL esp without Neymar-Cavani

hes certainly the next best thing but i doubt he'll reach Messi/Ronaldo peak levels. R9 was a better player than CR though and we'd say the latter had a better career so you never know

The thing is do you see Mbappé reaching a much higher level than he currently is on? I don't. He will not get any quicker or much stronger physically (without losing pace in the process) and technique, vision and all the other elements that make the all-time great lot truly special, is not something that you just improve on lineally over a given footballing career.

Sure it was a decent performance but nothing more than that. Di María practically created his goal with a pin-point delivery. Mbappé is clearly an early bloomer so I would not be this fixated on age although it is normal to view him in the context of his age. He has always been known as a way more mature player than his age would suggest. Even when at Monaco.

But let us be fair here for a while. Him scoring 1 goal against THAT Man Utd team (defense in particular) won't add to his legend if you ask me. Or him scoring goals for a stacked team like QSG in Ligue 1 where the likes of Cavani and Ibra have better numbers.

Now this post will sound like I don't rate him (for some simpleton users, wonder who?) but there is a difference from rating him highly to him getting compared with a 20 year old R9 (who I think that I argued quite well for, was the much superior player his age pre-injuries) let alone all-time greats like Messi etc.

Fine to compare his goals etc. with a 20 year old Messi and C. Ronaldo but one is missing the context completely when doing that.

 

[Jair Ventura]

Some people talk about Kylian as if he doesn’t exist in the same world as Messi or CR7. That’s not to insight comparison, but you’d think he weren’t playing at a high level at the same time they are.

Also, this [MENTION=19517]Leo_Messi[/MENTION] guy is so Trump like it’s hilarious. Completely inane opinions that are backed only by his self assured ignorance, a complete lack of self awareness, constantly combative, champions his own argumentation as he’s arguing, etc.

 

[El Gato]

You do. Otherwise you would not be quoting my posts for the sake of it as you have no arguments and are not being interested in any discussions whatsoever.

Obviously I don't have arguments to indisputable facts that you deal in. I was destroyed and torn to shreds. Nothing else to be said, is there?

Later I asked you if your much, much greater dislike for FCB (compared to my dislike for a European nobody like QSG), was clouding your judgement in how you rate Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Ronaldinho and others.

How do you rate my dislike for FCB? Out of 10? Since you have so much better of an idea how much I like or dislike this institution. Do tell.

If you think that my posts are "wall of texts" you have seen nothing yet.

Shit man

BTW, I wished I had taken up law or something other than the chemical engineering degree that I finished. Not much humanities about that.

Nice! How long was your thesis? There's this cool invention called chemical symbols. Did you bother? Or did you just go full blast and type out argentum every time?

 

[Leo_Messi]

Obviously I don't have arguments to indisputable facts that you deal in. I was destroyed and torn to shreds. Nothing else to be said, is there?



How do you rate my dislike for FCB? Out of 10? Since you have so much better of an idea how much I like or dislike this institution. Do tell.



Shit man

Nice! How long was your thesis? There's this cool invention called chemical symbols. Did you bother? Or did you just go full blast and type out argentum every time?

Poor you. Turned out that you did not have arguments for anything other than quoting some statements out of context and inventing your own narrative.

Is that your level? So you are trying to argue against the average RM having a much greater antipathy to their by far main rivals in FCB, over my supposed dislike for QSG that is bound more in their owners and how they came to be than to actual dislike of the football club let alone their players many of whom I like while never making a secret out of it.

Seems that I overestimated your troll abilities. Turns out that you are a slightly worse version than Jair.

But you to keep going. I mean your reputation on this forum cannot be any worse so I guess that I will let you continue where you started from. Along with Jair.

 

[Givenchy]

The thing is do you see Mbappé reaching a much higher level than he currently is on? I don't. He will not get any quicker or much stronger physically (without losing pace in the process) and technique, vision and all the other elements that make the all-time great lot truly special, is not something that you just improve on lineally over a given footballing career.

Sure it was a decent performance but nothing more than that. Di María practically created his goal with a pin-point delivery. Mbappé is clearly an early bloomer so I would not be this fixated on age although it is normal to view him in the context of his age. He has always been known as a way more mature player than his age would suggest. Even when at Monaco.

But let us be fair here for a while. Him scoring 1 goal against THAT Man Utd team (defense in particular) won't add to his legend if you ask me. Or him scoring goals for a stacked team like QSG in Ligue 1 where the likes of Cavani and Ibra have better numbers.

Now this post will sound like I don't rate him (for some users, wonder who?) but there is a difference from rating him highly to him getting compared with a 20 year old R9 (who I think that I argued quite well for, was the much superior player his age pre-injuries) let alone all-time greats like Messi etc.

Fine to compare his goals etc. with a 20 year old Messi and C. Ronaldo but one is missing the context completely when doing that.

thats the big question but nobody knows the answer yet. hes undoubtedly one of the most talented players for his age but time will tell if he turns into a goal machine like CR. Messi is in another league to CR, Mbappe, anyone basically so unless Mbappe becomes the best goal scorer + one of the best playmakers on top, Messi level won't be reached (not just talking about assist stats here either)

I'd say R9 is the most talented youngster i've ever seen, Mbappe is more Henry levels. Rooney was also amazing as a teenager and never really fulfilled the potential he promised so its early to tell

when you compare Mbappe at the same age to Messi/Cristiano you have to take into account neither of those 2 were guaranteed starters and had to fight for their place, ofcourse both were promising players. Mbappe is the 2nd most expensive player ever and is pretty much 100% a starter - one could argue hes guaranteed because of his talent alone but i think price tag has to play a part also