Kylian Mbappé
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Temptation
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PSG is an oil club with no global fanbase. Look at City. They won so much but nobody cares about them. Even the English media are obsessed with clubs like United, Arsenal and Liverpool. You need to build an organic fanbase for that.
Ofcourse the answer is Liverpool. It has a combination of visibility and glory.
He'll be the biggest name at Liverpool.
At Madrid he'll be another one of the stars and just another legend who won a CL.
He should do a couple of years at Liverpool and then move to Madrid.
Maybe for the football purists.
But for the general public and the media angling, wining a CL or 2 with PSG, the first in their history would be enough to market him as the face of the brand backed by continental success.
We talk about global fanbases but we're in the power slap generation where alot don't have the patience for more than a 10 second football highlight.
Temptation
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I get where you are coming from but even for the casuals, Madrid and Liverpool have way more casual fans following them weekly not just purists.
Let's be real. City just achieved great things but there's still hardly any fanfare. Some clubs are just boring and manufactured and struggle to attract casuals and gloryhunters.
Now, from the sporting side he'd have more chances to actually clinch the CL playing for Real or Liverpool because the squads will be stronger with better managers.
Yeah, I mean that's a good point. Playing in EPL or LaLiga at a European heritage club will certainly do alot for his image today.
But then look at @Andresito comment.
"What kind of legacy would he have at Madrid? In the history books he'll be good/great player for them, but will never surpass likes of Di Stefano."
We are saying to go to Madrid to have a legacy of Di Stefano. Yet the legacy of Di Stefano is from a period where Madrid were a state backed team winning matches that were fixed, or at the very least hugely influenced by political decisions.
Yet today his legacy is spoken about as one of the greats, as is Real Madrids legacy as a top team.
So today PSG are a state backed oil team, but in terms of legacy, none of that will truly matter in 20+ years. Only two things will matter.
1) If Mbappe can get CL titles with them on his CV. And this LE team is grudgingly looking effective
2) He will earn 70m+ more per season on his new deal, not counting any taxless sponsorship money and bonuses through Qatar.
Temptation
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I'd agree with everything you said but the fact is that winning a CL with PSG is a huge IF to start with.
After so many years of splashing money, have they really improved their squad much? Their midfield still looks bang average. Attack is Mbappe and a few pacy French fellas. Defense, Skriniar is injured(?) and Lucas Hernandez is always a hug away from an injury.
You see what I am trying to say? The sporting project is handled by incompetent people unlike City.
About your Real Madrid point, why not join Liverpool for a few years? You get to work with Klopp. You enter a team perfectly set up for your game with experienced, proven winners in many positions. You play in the most watched league itw while you're still young and at your physical peak. Unlike Real, you get your name etched in Liverpool and English Football folklore forever!
Imagine if he stays at PSG for most of his career and it's still the same as it is. He'll regret it all his life. A career in Football is short and his playstyle and dependence on pace is a bit of a red flag against his longevity.
This is why the ideal career path would be few years at Liverpool and then Real. Mbappe will already be a French hero because of his National Team exploits.
Playing in multiple leagues and big clubs also increases your personal fanbase.
With the PL, he can conquer the North European, African, Asian, North American and Oceanian markets. With LL, he can conquer the South American, Central American, Middle Eastern and Iberian markets.
Legacy/career are two different things. Moving to Liverpool or Madrid could increase his CL chances. But then the answer is easy for any player: just move to the biggest club you can. If that would have been the case in football then we wouldn't have Totti at Roma all his career and examples like that.
There has to be some sort of sentimental value in PSG for Mbappe otherwise he would've moved a long time ago. And yeah money plays a part too.
Not arguing what's the right and wrong move here, just trying to understand how Mbappe thinks.
If I were him I'd move to Madrid if they could guarantee a spot in his favourite position. Secondary option would be PL. I suggested an unrealistic idea once before just for laughs: he could theoretically sign 1-2 year contracts with any club of his choosing, could be the club he sees have biggest chance of winning titles short-term. With all the money he's earned until now he could adjust his wages to fit into any club and just purely play for glory on the pitch. Who would say no to Mbappe for 2 years? Not realistic though.
Imo there's something with Liverpool + Mbappe that doesn't sound right. Would be great on paper of course but Mbappe is way too big of a star for that club. Liverpool also feel like more of a collective (sprinkled with WC players) than having big egocentric superstars.
There has to be some sort of sentimental value in PSG for Mbappe otherwise he would've moved a long time ago. And yeah money plays a part too.
Not arguing what's the right and wrong move here, just trying to understand how Mbappe thinks.
If I were him I'd move to Madrid if they could guarantee a spot in his favourite position. Secondary option would be PL. I suggested an unrealistic idea once before just for laughs: he could theoretically sign 1-2 year contracts with any club of his choosing, could be the club he sees have biggest chance of winning titles short-term. With all the money he's earned until now he could adjust his wages to fit into any club and just purely play for glory on the pitch. Who would say no to Mbappe for 2 years? Not realistic though.
Imo there's something with Liverpool + Mbappe that doesn't sound right. Would be great on paper of course but Mbappe is way too big of a star for that club. Liverpool also feel like more of a collective (sprinkled with WC players) than having big egocentric superstars.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Imo Liverpool would fit better. You ask why? Because Real's superstar atm is the ham. You dont want to be ham 2.0 + vini is playing on his position. As you said 2 years a Pl club and then he can still choose Real if he wants to go there. Youre right that Liverpool isnt normally the team which has THE superstar but im sure that Klopp will even the money addicted Mbappe convincing that he needs to play as a teamplayer to win big titles. We will see Sito but i smell a lot of trouble if he chooses Real...
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Yeah they are crap, against a top team they will definitely lose.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Regardless of the team he chooses he NEEDS TO do something, he is already 25 and still living from his WC win in 2018!
soul24rage
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If Mbappe joins RM, he will be the man of the team and not the Ham.
Also have a feeling if Mbappe joins RM, Perez will sell Vini Jr. similar to how he did with Robinho when CR7 joined.
feggydinho
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PSG improved more compared to last season, they've created the 3rd highest number of chances in the UCL (after Man City and Real Madrid) and weren't even in the top 10 last year. they've created 22 so far in this UCL season compared to 16 in the whole of last season so Luis Enrique is trying there, needs to touch on some things and they'll be stronger
It's funny how they created more chances even after letting the likes of Neymar, Messi, and Verratti leave.
They've got issues with finding the net though, probably why they're looking at moving on from Ramos or Muani
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Question is if ham accepts that....
And vini kiss the logo of real madrid on his jersey in every second match, selling him would be crazy😰
But that was C R 7 ! Ofc you would sell any player of this world to have this man in your team, even la pulga...... (joke🤣)
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