Kylian Mbappé

[El Gato]

He and Mbappe both can and will make a few good chances per game with team sitting in low block
Less so than some players who are asked to be and can afford to be more unselfish to immediate benefit of team, but nonetheless they can

Their misfortune is that
A) theyre asked to run and be a weapon and
b) rarely play with an actual 9 like Lamal or Messi tend to to have a proper target

Vini wasted a lot of time doing hard work for Benzema who'd most often be 20 yards too deep or didn't get in box as fast due to pace difference
Same with current Brazil when Neymar is finished and top10 striker in the world isn't playing ball
Put Vini in with Haaland and watch what happens.
You already have glimpses of it when Mbappe does make the right run

 

[Maradona37]

Michael Laudrup was a playmaker I would say, but could get assists too.

The thing is Bruno is the only guy who can create chances for Yanited so maybe it's just tactical instructions for him to try the spectacular final balls.


Hate the guy but he's a great passer. Has great range, vision and can definitely play the simple recycling passes. Him trying the tough passes might be down to tactical instructions and creative burden........


On second thought, I'd call him a playmaker.

I honestly don't think it is. I think it's his style of play. He looks for the final ball every time and has been the same under three or four managers now. I just think he's a frantic chaos merchant.

His short game is erratic. He often doesn't weight short passes correctly or play it in the right areas. It's up and down. Also, he concedes ridiculous possession sometimes, with awful square passes that nobody with a football IQ would do as much as he does.

He's far better with the longer balls and bigger spaces. He's probably a better long passer than Maddison for example, but Maddison is far better (when on his game) at dropping deep, finding pockets, taking the ball on the hafl-turn, dribbling and wriggling away and opening up space, or playing passes round the corner and one twos in tight areas.

Fernandes's weaknesses are he is poor on half-turn, cannot dribble, and cannot pass or retain the ball in congested space. he's a large spaces counter attack player through and through, and building around him will always have its limits.

They're better with him in their team, but that's because their other players are desperate. And even with him, it's not like they're really good or anything. They need a better system with more short passing possession players, but that's not the United DNA, which is why they struggle in this era of pressing and being good in small spaces.

 

[Maradona37]

Fernandes for example, in terms of on the ball, would have been amazing in the 90s PL. And his deficiences off it (headless chicken pressing) would have been less important, as most teams played chaotically then.

 

[Joan]

I live for signings like this

Love him to death

 

[Temptation]

Fernandes for example, in terms of on the ball, would have been amazing in the 90s PL. And his deficiences off it (headless chicken pressing) would have been less important, as most teams played chaotically then.

Overall, Bruno is a good player. Creates chances, scores goals, presses and works hard, great at set pieces and pens.

 

[fergus90]

He should become the 30+ Ronaldo version, the fox in the box. Unlike Neymar who could still create and dribble without pace Mbappi relies too much on his speed which decreased over the last 2 years.

Problem is Mbappe barely has any instinct to make runs in the box like a poacher would. He lingers around the edge. Seen it countless times already. Plus he has absolutely zero aerial threat.

 

[Maradona37]

Overall, Bruno is a good player. Creates chances, scores goals, presses and works hard, great at set pieces and pens.

Never denied he is a good player to a point. Just not the world-class player their fans think he is.

Is he really great at set pieces? He hardly ever scores from free kicks, some of his delivery can be good true but they went years without scoring a corner. Not his fault though as Maguire missed headers.

He doesn't score that many goals really, outside penalties.

I have already covered the chances created bit in his thread and the Man United thread.

As for works hard - no doubt he puts in a lot of effort. But it is wasted as his pressing is headless chicken and leaves gaps all over, and they don't coordinate the press.

Good player, yes. But has severe flaws and teams with him as one of the best players are doomed to fail. He's more of a 90s player. Ditto Rash.

 

[jamrock]

Gato trying to push a bolder up a hill with this.

No one is buying it,Vini is no play maker.

 

[El Gato]

Nah easy stuff
Makes plays for self and other people, as much as playmaker as most other wingers and far from one dimensional

 

[Maradona37]

Problem is Mbappe barely has any instinct to make runs in the box like a poacher would. He lingers around the edge. Seen it countless times already. Plus he has absolutely zero aerial threat.

Yeah Mbappe is not an instinctual number 9, Ronaldo always had that in his locker - to become that with age. Mbappe is a through and through wide player to me.

 

[Maradona37]

Gato's biggest mistake was equating assists with playmaking.

Other than that he's been brand new.

 

[El Gato]

Nah bud, just cant keep up even when first pulled 'playmaking winger' out your ass even though first thing in question was that Vini is somehow one dimensional
While claiming Salah, barely doing any different in situations with ball at feet, is not

If going into playmaking, you automatically go and evaluate how wingers make plays
And Vini is great at it for most part - bar parts when all but select few wingers struggle
For wingers final pass is part of a play and way to evaluate how well a winger did creating a chance I.e. sent a pass that does or doesn't end in a goal
Has been that way since dawn of time
Vini makes plenty good plays per game, great final passes, lots of pass-to-assists, lots of one twos, very rarely makes wrong calls now (was worse when younger)

Not a playmaker like AM or CM is
But does best in the league making scoring situations happen, like Hazard, Di Maria, Bale and every other winger that ever had to make plays
For a winger Vini is a good playmaker, as was Robben and all of the above playing wide

 

[Maradona37]

I said Salah is a better final third passer than Vinicius with better vision and better at threading eye of the needle passes. I stand by that. I also accepted maybe I was giving Salah too much credit, and maybe I was harsh calling Vini one dimensional.

Again maybe it is your definition, but making the final pass or assist doesn't equate to playmaking for me. It depends on how you define it. I will retract Salah, but I have given my definition of playmakers - David Silva, Neymar, Iniesta, Hazard, Ribery, Maddison (at a lower level and clearly not closer to as good an overall player as Vini) players like them. They don't all get tons of assists, but they build play, are at the heart of everything good their team do.

You must think Haaland is a playmaker cos he gets assists by playing close to the goal.

Ribery is a different type of winger to Vini for example. Vini has more cutting edge, but Ribery builds play better, is better in small spaces, better with one two round the corner, opening space etc. Not that I am saying Vini is bad at these, just that Ribery particularly excels to the elite level. The standards are high here.That's what I think anyway. You can disagree but I am not the only one who doesn't agree with you that Vini is a playmaker.

 

[Temptation]

Remember when Maradona37 was called an L Gato alt?

What if it's the same dude arguing with himself?

 

[Maradona37]

Remember when Maradona37 was called an L Gato alt?

What if it's the same dude arguing with himself?

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I've been accused of being everyone on here.

At this stage it's just me as every poster arguing with myself, like James McAvoy in Split.