KingLeo10
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After people saw Setien and Koeman, I think consensus is that EV is a good coach.
Just not a great one, as his cult here like to claim.
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After people saw Setien and Koeman, I think consensus is that EV is a good coach.
Just not a great one, as his cult here like to claim.
KingLeo10
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There's only 5 of those in world football right now.
Pep, Klopp, Carlo, Tuchel, Conte
With the first 3 being historically great
JamDav1982
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Barca hired a coach to placate the older players not a revolution.
From where were in summer of 2017 and doom predicted he did well.
But was never going to last long as those older players for most part just got too old.
Lots of folk wanted the likes of Setien to come and show these players who is boss and make them play in his way... that was even bigger disaster.
He should have gone after Liverpool game and team rebuilt then. It had ran its course.
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serghei
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True, but imo, only Pep and Klopp are great of that list.
Carlo would've been done by the squad imo, just as EV. He is like the better version of EV, but the team flaws that did EV, they could have done Ancelotti too. It's close, and we could have won the CL with Ancelotti instead of EV, but it's not sure thing.
Just remember Ancelotti Madrid from 3-1, to 3-4 vs Chelsea, basically out of it with 10 mins left or so in the tie. You really see Barca players fighting back and turning that? Imagine Alba and Busi, and Stegen at 0-3 at home vs Chelsea.
0-4 comes soon. No way they score 2 and concede 0 from that point to push through.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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Fati_Future_BallonDor
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flick will be also in a few years on the list imo
JamDav1982
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Real won CL probably conceding more in knock outs than any team that won it in last 20 years.
Their forwards bailed them out every time.
Can just as easily say that this Real doesnt fail to score away to Liverpool or Roma.
Their forwards bailed them out every time.
Can just as easily say that this Real doesnt fail to score away to Liverpool or Roma.
serghei
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and not a crap one, as his other cult here like to claim
We didn't exactly say crap. More like mediocre, but he's better than mediocre, I admit it.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
He did well at Barca and his time was shaped by what little freedom he had to change things around.
Some have caught up with that over time.
There was no way he could take on dressing room heavy weights. It was work with them or move on at that point and did well to get two titles out of them.
Some have caught up with that over time.
There was no way he could take on dressing room heavy weights. It was work with them or move on at that point and did well to get two titles out of them.
serghei
Senior Member
Sure, a great manager would have never come at that time anyway, with those conditions. He among the best options at the time for a type of manager who would bend the knee and try to work with what he was given.
Now it's clear it was most clearly the fault of board and players having power to influence who was named manager.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
And they would have most likely failed if did.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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After Anfield he got a hate which ive never seen before, comments were like every coach who comes will be better than EV
Not saying he is a top level coach but his ll wins for example didnt get enough appreciation.
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serghei
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But they wouldn't have. That's the point. Great managers need power to make big decisions. If they don't have it, they don't come, and only managers willing to compromise and accept some worse conditions would come.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
The point is they would have failed most likely even if came in thinking they could change things.
Who knows next time Barca will get a great coach. There is a lot of issues at clubs like Barca they wont wan to touch.
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