Lionel Messi - v7
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serghei
Senior Member
Thing is, this type of stuff always leads to a disaster one way or another. The disaster will come, as usual, in late april - early may. Messi can stay for money, but the price he will pay will be on the field, the next time we are stuffed in CL.
And then, when he will hang the boots, people will remember him as the guy who earned the motherload until 2015, then captained his team to the biggest humiliations in CL. Objective people that is, because his die hard fans will always find some people to blame in every single European blow-out.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
haha, I know what you mean. If Font gets elected and Xavi becomes his right hand man, of course they will try to keep his buddy Messi at the club. Yes, honestly none of the candidates excites me.
Maybe this season we will win nothing again and that is what it will take Messi to leave? Or some other scandals? He needs to leave for us to clean this house and rebuild.
Also, and I cannot stress this enough, Xavi should only come after he has succeeded in one of the top 5 leagues with a respectful "top" team. There should be more requirements for the job than used to play for Barcelona.
FiReFTW
Member
No doubt at all to anyone watching him that he has declined alot in the past years, specially lately, his level is much lower this year.
But its not due to age, 33 is not old at all in this day and age with our knowledge of medicine and sport and physical training and recovery, look at Federer how good he is playing at almost 40 years old, look at Lebon James at almost 36, look at other athletes, the age of decline has gone up alot or at least the career has been postponed at playing at a high level.
Messi's problem is not age, its his life and his workrate, thats his problem, look at Ronaldinho, he was a magicial and a one of a kind player, but for how long? His decline was extremely fast, in his peak young days, why did he decline? Because he was partying alot, he did not train alot or did the phyiscal work required.
Its the same with Messi, ive noticed it a while ago and im sure many of you have that Messi does not have the workrate and dedication and work ethic of some other athletes such as lebron james or even cristiano ronaldo.
The older you get the more important it is to give your 100% off court, off court work, in the gym, physical, recovery work, diet.. everything... Messi is not that kind of guy, ive noticed that ever since he got his son and then later more, he was not 100% commited to soccer anymore, he was still brilliant for a while but that spark left him I noticed and I was afraid he would decline much sooner and shaper, but he still maintained a pretty good level alltho it was not the same anymore as it was before his family life.
But now as he gets older and older it becomes more and more obvious and clear, its too bad Messi does not have the same work ethic as some other athletes that I mentioned, if he did he could be at the top of soccer into his late 30s.... he doesn't even rely on physical assets NEARLY as much as someone like Cristiano Ronaldo, and most people said that CR would decline much faster because of it... but sadly they forgot to take into account that CR has the work ethic of a robot, in everything, he puts 100% off court and does everything he can and is the first guy on the training pitch and last guy to leave... thats the kind of dedication Messi would need and he could be at the top of the game into his late 30s, but he is not that guy im sad to say, its a big weakness of his and due to this his legacy in the end will be far shorter and far worse than it could have been.
But its not due to age, 33 is not old at all in this day and age with our knowledge of medicine and sport and physical training and recovery, look at Federer how good he is playing at almost 40 years old, look at Lebon James at almost 36, look at other athletes, the age of decline has gone up alot or at least the career has been postponed at playing at a high level.
Messi's problem is not age, its his life and his workrate, thats his problem, look at Ronaldinho, he was a magicial and a one of a kind player, but for how long? His decline was extremely fast, in his peak young days, why did he decline? Because he was partying alot, he did not train alot or did the phyiscal work required.
Its the same with Messi, ive noticed it a while ago and im sure many of you have that Messi does not have the workrate and dedication and work ethic of some other athletes such as lebron james or even cristiano ronaldo.
The older you get the more important it is to give your 100% off court, off court work, in the gym, physical, recovery work, diet.. everything... Messi is not that kind of guy, ive noticed that ever since he got his son and then later more, he was not 100% commited to soccer anymore, he was still brilliant for a while but that spark left him I noticed and I was afraid he would decline much sooner and shaper, but he still maintained a pretty good level alltho it was not the same anymore as it was before his family life.
But now as he gets older and older it becomes more and more obvious and clear, its too bad Messi does not have the same work ethic as some other athletes that I mentioned, if he did he could be at the top of soccer into his late 30s.... he doesn't even rely on physical assets NEARLY as much as someone like Cristiano Ronaldo, and most people said that CR would decline much faster because of it... but sadly they forgot to take into account that CR has the work ethic of a robot, in everything, he puts 100% off court and does everything he can and is the first guy on the training pitch and last guy to leave... thats the kind of dedication Messi would need and he could be at the top of the game into his late 30s, but he is not that guy im sad to say, its a big weakness of his and due to this his legacy in the end will be far shorter and far worse than it could have been.
KingLeo10
Senior Member
This is spot on.
serghei
Senior Member
Yea, it is spot on. Which is why it's vital for the club to adopt a position in relation to Messi to match his lower interest in football in general. Extension only on the table with much reduced role and much reduced wages. Or each goes it's own way, Messi to somewhere else, and Barca towards full post-Messi era of rebuilding.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Who is his candidate? I didn't think he has a candidate. Cardoner is not running, Emili Rousaud who was supposed to be Bartomeu's candidate was fired by him and he is running as an independent candidate.
No. It just proves when shitty teams like Aston Villa are putting 7 past Liverpool. Despite how bad we are, we're losing 7-2 to a team like Aston Villa. People overrate the Premier League so much.
magicomessi
Member
If it was suarez not coutinho do you think he would pass him the ball ?
The one he dribbled ramos
The one he dribbled ramos
No use in answering such questions
serghei
Senior Member
Not really. If you show up incredibly crap in defense, nearly any side in PL has enough firepower up front to score you at least 3-4. Yea, even 7 if you're defense could star in a Looney Tunes episode and every deflection goes their way like in your worst nightmare.
PL is an incredibly physical league based on power and speed. Right now we'd suffer a lot in it. In 2011 when we were strong, had crazy stamina, ran like crazy, pressed teams to death, we'd humiliate everyone in it including Liverpool. I think current City would be among our favorite victims
. Peak Messi and Iniesta would have a field day with that defense.
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Messigician
Senior Member
Tony Freixa said it
He told Radio Marca: ?I am not overly concerned about Messi leaving because everything has an end.
?What is important is that he did it in such an unfortunate way and without respecting the club.?
You're so funny.
You were crying and begging him to stay 2 months ago. I was actually for the idea of us selling or letting him go for free. Even if he left for nothing, we could have tried a different gameplan and saved a lot on his salary. We basically could have started our rebuild. But..... no, you were backing Bartomeu and saying how Messi should stay to carry us this season. I knew Messi wouldn't look bothered and putting him decent performances half the time. I'm pretty certain Messi will still score goals, despite him not looking like scoring at the moment, because he's still a quality player. But we could have moved on and tried something else this season.
No doubt, if he picks up his form and performances, you'll be back to calling him the goat again.
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