Lionel Messi - v7
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Illuminator
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Especially because VAR, by the rules, is only allowed to interfere if there is a clear wrong decision by the ref. So they don't interfere when the ref doesn't whistle a foul outside the box, but when a goal happens later, the before not given foul suddenly becomes a clear wrong decision? By that logic you would have to take a look at every not so clear foul-, corner-, or throw in- situation. France scored after a no foul freekick in the World Cup final. Freekick or not in front of the box can be a gamechanger if you have good freekick-takers. Wrongly given corners can also lead to goals. If they want to do it this way like yesterday in the case of Argentina, then they have to take a closer look at every situation thats not clear, otherwise it's just pure arbitrariness.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
There's just no point in hsving him hanging around up front if you can't get him the ball in dangerous postions, neither of the teams he plays for have been able to do that for years. He's just not a #9 capable of playing with his back to the goal. So if he doesn't come back to initiate play he rots. If you don't have the supporting cast to take advantage of his skills in and around the box then it ain't going to happen. You know other players can be instructed to take up his role when he drops, problem is Barc have Braithwaite and Griezmann.
Poor Messi.
Barca and Argentina suddenly can't create snything so he has to drop to Busi-Xavi position.
Yet, if you remove him from both teams, they will suddenly start to create a lot of chances.
Btw. that is 13 matches this season and only 1 goal from an open play (against 10 men Betis).
So, in 11 vs 11, he has 13 matches without a goal from an open play.
Interesting.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
What kind of shit this is. The kind of stuff the club was doing to tie these players was really disgusting. And the players and their agents to demand stuff like this.
Messigician
Senior Member
Fuck knows what else is in that contract
Neeraj
Senior Member
There are many difficult issues to sort with VAR, such as the problem of any contact in the box looking worse in slow-mo, and that only sometimes does VAR get activated for a push while at other times it doesn't. However, this particular incident and the nonsensical decision is pretty to fix. VAR should only be allowed to look at events X seconds before the play - say 15 seconds. That's a hard rule, and it's objective. The referee and the VAR box, neither should be able to reverse the footage further than 15 seconds behind the play in question. Fixed.
He's a big boy, he's been around a bit I'm sure he'll manage.
Creating in those teams has been an issue for quite a while, if you've been watching.
What games are those, where a lot of chances have been created.
It really isn't interesting, I assure you. In fact it's been increasingly uninteresing year after year for sometime wrt Barca. Which of course is a pity if you watch almost all the games.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Maybe the reason why we aren't creating = is Messi?
Since he is killing the team's shape, there is no width, he is not making forward runs, he is dropping deep, he is not moving off the ball?
And all teammates have to pass to him so we are predictable.
Without him, each passer has 4-5 passing options and then we are unpredictable.
In Argentina it's even worse.
Their players have to pass to Messi all the time, which creates a catch 22.
Messi is the only one who creates since all the balls are passed to him and no one else is allowed to try an action without him.
soul24rage
Senior Member
Barca is creating chances with and without Messi. Finishing is the main problem right now.
Current Argentina is playing more without depending on Messi like prior years.
There were instances in yesterday's game where they passed the ball to other players even when Messi dropped deep.
Mitchell1978
Senior Member
nah, he deserves this, club must honor his contract just like they made him do
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