Lionel Messi - v7

Birdy

Birdy

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vuji_31 said:
Let's be honest. Coutinho is not WC player. Case closet.

He was not even starter in every game in his last season in Liverpool. Best deal in hystory for Liverpool.
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Fake news.
He was a starter even the lat 6 months when they knew he was leaving.
Klopp had Mane off some games, and was playing all 4 the other games
 
BBZ8800

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Laplacian said:
Undying allegiance for him. Initially supported his transfer to Barcelona (comments like he's made for this team), and now he just can't let go even though Coutinho has been shit for almost 3 years.
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How many times this season Cou played as a CAM, without Messi on a field and with CF Brait?
I won't even ask for pacey wingers.

He is forced to play as a hybrid LW, in a team where 90% of teammates are making unconscious passes to Messi all the time, where Messi drops deep, slows down the game and is killing attacking options and variety.
And on top of all, when Messi gets the ball, he will ruin it with trying too hard dribbles, soft shots or predictable passes.

You guys are still offering chances to *a decade of dominance Dembele* after 4 seasons of nothing.
Yet Cou is dead after never getting 10 matches in a row as a CAM, without Messi on a field and with a proper CF.

Basically, whenever Messi plays as a CAM or a false 9, Cou and the team is dead.

Cou offered good seasons without Messi at Liverpool and Brasil.

No offense to Messi, but I won't write off or judge Griezz and Cou until Messi is gone.
They will finally have more options and free reigns of a team.

Plus, they are the only two guys who are not obsessed with Messi and who are not passing the ball to him all the time.

Further, Messi tries 10 shots per match.
In the last two matches, Messi tried 22 shots.
Scored 1 goal.
Cou tried 4 shots.

There is no way that Cou and Griezz would have worse numbers than Messi if they were allowed to take all free kicks, pens and 5-6 regular shots per match.

I mean, imagine if Cou/Griezz had:
7-8 pens this season
50-60 free kicks attempts
50 shots from an open play

Don't you agree that both of them would have let's say:
6/8 goals from pens
2-3/50 goals from free kicks
5-10/50 goals from an open play (from 50 shots from inside or around the box)

That would be roughly 13-19 goals for each of them.

Just try to give Messi's role to any other player, or distribute 100 of his failed shots this season to Braith, Cou, Griezz.

For example, without pens:
This season at Barca:
Cou: 27 shots, 3 goals
Griezz: 35 shots, 5 goals
Braith: 13 shots, 4 goals
Messi: 84 shots, 3 goals

Now, give 50-60 shots from an open play to Griezz/Cou, all free kicks and 5 pens.
You easily get to 10-13 goals for Cou and 15-20 goals for Griezmann, WITHOUT Messi on a field.

And on top of it, I used numbers of shots with Messi on a field, and since Messi is slowing down the build up, it is possible that our team would create even more chances without Messi on a field since we would play faster and have more attacking options.
That means that Cou and Griezz would have even more shooting attempts than in these stats based on Messi's shooting stats.
And that means even more goals.

All in all, I won't give up from Cou and Griezz until Messi is gone or benched.

** Btw, remember even during Valverde, when Cou came in January, that he played awesome in first matches when Iniesta was rotated/rested/injured.
Cou without Iniesta played awesome.
When Iniesta returned, a trio Cou-Iniesta-Messi was much worse and slower.
Cou plays better when there are less CAMs clogging his area of movement.
 
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Hardy

Hardy

Senior Member
big day for Leo

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Porque

Senior Member
Was pretty great when in AMC and with post-Bayern horsemeat still in his system.

He needs to play either AMC or AMC for us, and nowhere else. Put Messi at ST like start of season, put Messi at AMR (with a winger on the left) or rest Messi here and there with Coutinho taking creative reigns.

It's that simple for me.
 
BBZ8800

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Porque said:
Was pretty great when in AMC and with post-Bayern horsemeat still in his system.

He needs to play either AMC or AMC for us, and nowhere else. Put Messi at ST like start of season, put Messi at AMR (with a winger on the left) or rest Messi here and there with Coutinho taking creative reigns.

It's that simple for me.
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I would play Ansu-Cou-Griezz-Martin plus subs Dembele and Trincao.

Messi at a bench position.
 
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