Lionel Messi - v7

[Andrew M]

Disappointed to see people turning on Messi after all he's done for us. Not saying I support his public comments, but still...

 

[Devils]

Abidal said some players were not happy with training under EV he did not say all were unhappy.

No issue with that really.

Yes it's still speculative.

I cannot blame any player who has publicly backed Valverde publicly to come out and defend themselves against these types of statement.

 

[JamDav1982]

Disappointed to see people turning on Messi after all he's done for us. Not saying I support his public comments, but still...

What do you class as turning on him?

 

[JamDav1982]

Yes it's still speculative.

I cannot blame any player who has backed Valverde publicly to come out and defend themselves against these types of statement.

Those who backed EV publicly in past are the least likely to need to defend themselves.

I think it is pretty much accepted Messi supported him.

 

[Mitchell1978]

It also all depends on the angle things are being said. You could argue he's seething after this january transfer window and that makes the most sense to me. We lose Suarez our best goalscorer after Messi to a season ending injury - don't replace him. We loan out our 4th choice CB with no replacement. We sell our bench player winger after he made an ok impact with no replacement, dembele is injured, Arthur not back to full fitness. Our squad is the smallest squad in the champions league due to poor squad planning from the board and sporting director. Now imagine after all that the sporting director says the players aren't trying too hard. I'd be raging. He shouldn't have done this publicly though and I don't agree with his methods.

Maybe he first spoke out behind closed doors to the sporting department but they failed to reinforce the team again.

I respect Abidal for what he did as a player but as manager (or whatever his position is) he hasn't done anything yet.

 

[serghei]

Abidal said some players were not happy with training under EV he did not say all were unhappy.

No issue with that really.

Exactly. What's the problem? I for one appreciate somebody starts talking about these things and addresses them instead of pretending all is rosy.

Messi's commentary is dumb, unnecessary, and completely puts him in the wrong light more than what Abidal said. A lot more. He basically identifies himself as Chief Amigo who loved relaxed laid back atmosphere with no intensity.

 

[Devils]

Those who backed EV publicly in past are the least likely to need to defend themselves.

I think it is pretty much accepted Messi supported him.

But the media has an history of believing their own story of what Messi is doing things behind the scenes despite what he says publicly.

I mean the man can only say so many times "He wants to stay at Barca" But that hasn't stopped the media from coming up with stories that he wants to leave Barca and is unhappy here. These are stories that frequently come out despite what Messi has stated publicly.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Just because Messi delivers 9/10 times because he is the GOAT doesn’t mean that he should have backed Valverde repeatedly.He is the captain,he should have seen the team has been playing like shit for ages and that it needed a change.Also,backing Valverde meant that he indirectly backed the old guard,many of whom were underperforming.

It’s true that he can’t solve everything on his own,especially with this board.For example,yes Neymar would have been a great signing,so that means that Leo was right to want him back.But firstly he betrayed us and secondly,even if you ignore this,you can’t have everything in life.

Messi never played a role in player movement. His closest 2 friends were Pinto & Cesc, the later surely a closer friend than anyone in current squad. He never had a problem with club deciding to show him the door. He understands the business.
He also took responsibility of loses more than backing up EV, he said they were the ones to blame. People think of that as bad thing and "backing his manager and old guard" for whatever reason. But it is actually a courage thing to do.
He also kept his mouth shut when EV was fired, done the right thing and worked with new manager with big smile on his face.
He took a lot of shit with media going with "club de amigos" thing, club providing no response or protection for them.
But now Sporting Director poke them publicly, and basically put the blame on players. Basically stating that some weren't happy with the coach, others wasn't working hard and putting it on them.
Ideally Messi should have shut up his mouth as starting a social media war isn't the right thing. But that was a huge mistake from Abidal first and foremost.

 

[JamDav1982]

But the media has an history of believing their own story of what Messi is doing things behind the scenes despite what he says publicly.

I mean the man can only say so many times "He wants to stay at Barca" But that hasn't stopped the media from coming up with stories that he wants to leave Barca and is unhappy here. These are stories that frequently come out despite what Messi has stated publicly.

Messi came out and supprted EV after the Liverpool defeat. Think it is safe to say Messi had his back.

Messi is not all innocent in the 'looking to leave stories. He plays the media for his own game as every other top player does.

 

[malvolio]

Two different arguments.

Are you arguing that because Messi has delivered he should be able to behave however he wants even if not for good of club as a whole?

Messi came out and supported EV and kept him in the job.

1. Maybe coming out like he did wasn't the most sensible thing. Otherwise I can't fault him as a professional. Never skips training, always delivers on the pitch. Doesn't criticise the manager? Not his job.

2. Supported as saying some general boring stuff? Yeah he maybe should have come out and said: "Valverde is a muppet that doesn't know what he is doing"

Look, he maybe likes some of Valverde's methods. But he didn't keep Valverde in the job, our board did. If we would have sacked him after Anfield we would have been better off

 

[JamDav1982]

Messi never played a role in player movement. His closest 2 friends were Pinto & Cesc, the later surely a closer friend than anyone in current squad. He never had a problem with club deciding to show him the door. He understands the business.
He also took responsibility of loses more than backing up EV, he said they were the ones to blame. People think of that as bad thing and "backing his manager and old guard" for whatever reason. But it is actually a courage thing to do.
He also kept his mouth shut when EV was fired, done the right thing and worked with new manager with big smile on his face.
But now Sporting Director poke him publicly, and basically put the blame on all players. Basically stating that some weren't happy with the coach, others wasn't working hard and putting it on them.
Ideally Messi should have shut up his mouth as starting a social media war isn't the right thing. But that was a huge mistake from Abidal first and foremost.

Cesc wanted to leave and Pinto was an old reserve keeper who was shit and probably only stayed as long as he did due to fear of pissing off Messi.

 

[serghei]

I understand why a 32-33 year old family man would want an easier time and more relaxed atmosphere later in his career. But people also need to understand this is selfish and unlike any real leader out there. And this type of attitude needs to stop moving forward, and this means taking executive decisions against it.

The Amigos think about themselves the most, this is the part that hurts us the most. Their best days are behind them, they are older, and just want to be more chill and not have some bold manager trying to push them to their limits in terms of training sessions and whatnot.

Messi simply doesn't put the team first. He puts himself first, and his friends. That's what can't be accepted.

 

[JamDav1982]

1. Maybe coming out like he did wasn't the most sensible thing. Otherwise I can't fault him as a professional. Never skips training, always delivers on the pitch. Doesn't criticise the manager? Not his job.

2. Supported as saying some general boring stuff? Yeah he maybe should have come out and said: "Valverde is a muppet that doesn't know what he is doing"

Look, he maybe likes some of Valverde's methods. But he didn't keep Valverde in the job, our board did. If we would have sacked him after Anfield we would have been better off

Doesnt need to skip training when the Manager they want gives them 2/3 days off at time frequently.

Messi clearly supported EV and came out to say it publicly. There was no need to do that if did not.

The board kept EV in a job due to them giving players too much power to have that say. That is on them and needs to be changed.

 

[bismp]

Disappointed to see people turning on Messi after all he's done for us. Not saying I support his public comments, but still...

Everyone here is GRATEFUL and PRIVILEGED to watch Messi play all these years.

And everyone should agree that the board is responsible for this shitshow,have no doubts about it.

However,there is no doubt that the locker room is toxic the past few years.And Messi is the team captain and the most senior player.

So,it is natural for people to question his words or the lack of them.

This is mind boggling that people have an issue with Messi.

-Messi has ALWAYS been consistent with his feeling towards Valverde when discussing him in public: He backs Valverde

-For Abidal to make a statement such as "players didn't like Valverde's methods" goes against everything Messi has always said publicly about Valverde.

-So Messi refuted it and said that the Sporting Management need to take responsibility for their decisions instead of ambiguously stating player disconetent to justify their decision to fire Valverde. Which he is 100% right in doing so.

This is an incredibly easy concept to grasp. I don't know how people can be split on this.

Abidal didn’t say that Messi himself didn’t like EV’s methods though.He didn’t even imply that it was Messi.He just said “some players”.Which can mean anything.And yes some players have the right to be disappointed with EV,not everyone had to be content with him just like Club de Amigos.

 

[malvolio]

Doesnt need to skip training when the Manager they want gives them 2/3 days off at time frequently.

Messi clearly supported EV and came out to say it publicly. There was no need to do that if did not.

The board kept EV in a job due to them giving players too much power to have that say. That is on them and needs to be changed.

Mate, you're an idiot. I'll ignore you from now on.