Lionel Messi - v7

[Leong157]

I only think the issue is Abidal saying something like Valvedre sacking was mainly from players. He seem to hint at players undermining the coach.

And Messi just saying that the sacking of Valvedre was the decision from the board, no players involved in this.


But I don't know I cannot read Spanish. I read from translated news.

 

[JamDav1982]

That's the problem though, it can mean anything any be integrated by whatever the way the media chooses to.

PR 101: This is always a bad idea.

In most clubs the sporting side can mention intensity of training or fitness as a reason for a manager leaving. It happens all the time.

At Barca you risk losing your job as players have too much power and dont like it.

Real have made a ton of fuck ups in market in recent years but one thing they have is Zidane is top man there and no player would come out on top in a battle with him.

Barca have none of that and it has been a board catering to the old group of players to take them until 2021.

 

[te amo barca]

Messi simply exposed himself (and the amigos) by reacting so sharply and negatively. This is totally out of his character (posting on social media) compared to what he used to do before. Yet the aftermath of Abidal's comments in the middle of the season would have caused unneeded attention to an unstable team with a new manager even if Messi hadn't said anything. Barca was damned if you do, damned if you don't. Nevertheless, Messi has complicated and exacerbated the situation with his fired shot.


Would be better if Abidal revealed the truth bombs in May right after the last game of the season so that we had a whole summer to deal with the shit. Now the team will be in an erratic psychological condition surrounded by controversy, scandals and rumours for quite a bit.

 

[Hamzah]

Agree with this 100%.

They are ruthless with their players and have moved on when the time is right. Not awarding past success with new improved contracts (Busi I’m looking at you)

I wonder if Frenkie said something about not wanting Valverde. He came from a high intensity team to this steaming pile of shit

Look at how they’re treating Bale, he won several CLs with them but Zidane doesn’t like his work rate or generally thinks his play has gone down so is happy to dump him for other players.

He’s still at the club because they had no buyer but they way they treated him showed all the other players what the standards are

 

[Raketa10]

So glad someone finally put that clown Abidal down to earth. The worst sporting director we ever had! He is a puppet installed by Barto and nothing more. This club is in ruins, season is basically over now.

We have no depth, no attackers, no chemistry in the squad and in the end club management is rotten to the core. What a sad end of this generation, a true Barto legacy!

 

[JamDav1982]

I only think the issue is Abidal saying something like Valvedre sacking was mainly from players. He seem to hint at players undermining the coach.

And Messi just saying that the sacking of Valvedre was the decision from the board, no players involved in this.


But I don't know I cannot read Spanish. I read from translated news.

Abidal in that interview pretty much said it was his decision to sack EV more so than any player demanding it even if some were seen to be unhappy/underperforming.

He was not trying to pass the buck.

 

[sickstar]

The fact that Messi is seething over this comment almost 3 weeks since Valverde got fired speaks volumes on him not being captain material. There is zero reason to demand that individual names be made public.

You're not getting it. He critiscized abidal for even bringing the matter. It certainly disrupt the harmony of the team. If Abidal really feel the need to challenge a certain names, he may as well telling their names. It's not that messi tells him to give the names, but he really thinks that it's not a wise thing to be said.

Let's just leave the EV matters in the past. Many people are not happy with EV but there are also people that are the opposite. By bringing this matter in the middle of the season and not after the season ends is bringing the team of chaos. So messi critiscized abidal for the timing of the statement, if it even need to be said at all.

 

[bismp]

Messi never played a role in player movement. His closest 2 friends were Pinto & Cesc, the later surely a closer friend than anyone in current squad. He never had a problem with club deciding to show him the door. He understands the business.

Man,Suarez has been an undisputed starter the past 3-4 years,despite playing like shit.Do you think that it has nothing to do with him being best pals with Messi?Maybe Messi didn’t demand anything directly,but the board surely wouldn’t want to upset him.

He also took responsibility of loses more than backing up EV, he said they were the ones to blame. People think of that as bad thing and "backing his manager and old guard" for whatever reason. But it is actually a courage thing to do.

It is true that he took responsibility for the losses,but repeatedly absolving EV of any responsibility practically gave him a free pass.Maybe they liked EV and he was a nice guy,but after a certain point they should have seen that there was no going back with EV at the helm.In other words,just because EV was nice and professional shouldn’t mean that the players should have backed him indefinitely for one of the most demanding coaching jobs in the world.

I AM NOT SAYING that they should have publicly asked for him to be fired.But c’mon,we all know that there is a middle option.

He also kept his mouth shut when EV was fired, done the right thing and worked with new manager with big smile on his face.

Fair point.But what was he supposed to do?

He took a lot of shit with media going with "club de amigos" thing, club providing no response or protection for them.

There has barely been any media shitstorm the past 2 years.The team suffered back to back(to back if you count 2017) humiliations,but the media barely criticized the players and EV.There has been more fire against players like Dembele than Suarez or Rakitic.

And what kind of protection would you want?

But now Sporting Director poke them publicly, and basically put the blame on players. Basically stating that some weren't happy with the coach, others wasn't working hard and putting it on them.
Ideally Messi should have shut up his mouth as starting a social media war isn't the right thing. But that was a huge mistake from Abidal first and foremost.

Abidal basically blamed EV.He said that the team’s tactics and overall performance was disappointing(which is TRUE).He said that SOME players didn’t like EV’s methods.Which may have been too much to say in public,but we can’t tell if it is a blatant lie or if there’s some truth in it.

And someone else said earlier,Messi stc already had backed EV many times in the past,so he had nothing to prove right now.No one would suspect that Messi etc were responsible for EV’s firing.

 

[snowy]

...Also,backing Valverde meant that he indirectly backed the old guard,many of whom were underperforming.

That part is true but I can totally see how it's a natural reaction for Leo to back his buds - and Valv to if they were pals. That's why there's a board and "experts" in charge of running the show.

The real prob is, the idiots in charge who base their decisions on the players likes and dislikes. I'm not clear on the whole Abi deal but seems like what Leo was saying was:

if you're gonna fire someone, then take responsibility, assume your decision and stop hiding behind the players.

Anyways, that's what I would've said. Same thing happened in the WC when Leo asked chihuahua Samp: "when did I ever tell you which players to pick?"

Seems to me like the dude is sick and tired of being thrown in the mix when all he wants to do is play.

Folks here keep blaming him on being a bad cap. Aiiight but who are the morons who gave the captaincy to a semi-autistic idiot savant in the 1st place?

If he wants to voice his discontent, I say GOOD for GOAT and let him bleat at his heart's content

And the part where folks say he sucks as a cap cuz he can't motivate his team. That's total bs. If playing next to Messi is not motivation enough, playa gotta go. Either your competitive or your not. It's not all about yelling. That yelling schtick is so overrated. Imagine CR yelling at Zlatan jajaja yeah that would jive well.

 

[Riordon]

Messi is probably frustrated because we couldn’t get Neymar. He is probably frustrated that after the shitty sport department spent 400m on shit attackers he still have to carry us game after game. While Ronaldo could play average for 6-7 months and his team would carry him to semifinals. He is probably frustrated that he scored a fucking hattrick against the bar far best team in Europe and the fuckers couldn’t get it done. He is frustrated because he knows he is the only elite player on this team (!) despite spending a shitload on money. He is frustrated because he knew Valverde was not the coach to win him the CL but still could let him get league titles. Setien won’t do shit for him.

Even after this Abidal speak shit and considering the stories/rumors of Messi being a dictator, the timing was not right. He knows this, that’s why he ask for specific names

 

[Andrew M]

In most clubs the sporting side can mention intensity of training or fitness as a reason for a manager leaving. It happens all the time.

At Barca you risk losing your job as players have too much power and dont like it.

Real have made a ton of fuck ups in market in recent years but one thing they have is Zidane is top man there and no player would come out on top in a battle with him.

Barca have none of that and it has been a board catering to the old group of players to take them until 2021.

I agree here on what you say about Madrid. People act as though Perez has some master plan when he is pretty improvisational tbh. Zidane has saved them

 

[JamDav1982]

That part is true but I can totally see how it's a natural reaction for Leo to back his buds - and Valv to if they were pals. That's why there's a board and "experts" in charge of running the show.

The real prob is, the idiots in charge who base their decisions on the players likes and dislikes. I'm not clear on the whole Abi deal but seems like what Leo was saying was:



Anyways, that's what I would've said. Same thing happened in the WC when Leo asked chihuahua Samp: "when did I ever tell you which players to pick?"

Seems to me like the dude is sick and tired of being thrown in the mix when all he wants to do is play.

Folks here keep blaming him on being a bad cap. Aiiight but who are the morons who gave the captaincy to a semi-autistic idiot savant in the 1st place?

If he wants to voice his discontent, I say GOOD for GOAT and let him bleat at his heart's content

And the part where folks say he sucks as a cap cuz he can't motivate his team. That's total bs. If playing next to Messi is not motivation enough, playa gotta go. Either your competitive or your not. It's not all about yelling. That yelling schtick is so overrated. Imagine CR yelling at Zlatan jajaja yeah that would jive well.

Leaders in the dressing room is not over rated.

Xavi, Puyol and Masch are missed big time and they were some of the few who kept all in check including Messi.

 

[LeeRomeno]

SOOO, after all these deliberations, what is the Forum de Amigos' verdict on Messi?

This has shattered the unity of Forum de Amigos. Who would have thought it could happen.

 

[JamDav1982]

Messi is probably frustrated because we couldn’t get Neymar. He is probably frustrated that after the shitty sport department spent 400m on shit attackers he still have to carry us game after game. While Ronaldo could play average for 6-7 months and his team would carry him to semifinals. He is probably frustrated that he scored a fucking hattrick against the bar far best team in Europe and the fuckers couldn’t get it done. He is frustrated because he knows he is the only elite player on this team (!) despite spending a shitload on money. He is frustrated because he knew Valverde was not the coach to win him the CL but still could let him get league titles. Setien won’t do shit for him.

Even after this Abidal speak shit and considering the stories/rumors of Messi being a dictator, the timing was not right. He knows this, that’s why he ask for specific names

Messi never scored a hat trick v Liverpool and Ronaldo has been far better than Messi in CL in recent seasons.

Messi is good enough without having to go overboard.

 

[snowy]

Leaders in the dressing room is not over rated.

Xavi, Puyol and Masch are missed big time and they were some of the few who kept all in check including Messi.

Yo jam wat up

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