Lionel Messi - v7

[bismp]

It would be extremely sad and disappointing if he leaves while all the other amigos stay..

 

[MagIX]

There is no doubt Ronaldo has more leadership, is more professional, more motivated, and more hardworking than Messi. Only Messi fanboys would say differently.

In terms of mentality, and in terms of what makes a competitive athlete, he is a level above Messi. And before the Messi fanboys start to call me a hater, Messi has some areas as well where he is a level above Ronaldo.

Messi is better than Ronaldo, or viceversa depending of what is the subject being discussed. For professionalism, ambition and hard work, the man is Ronaldo no doubt.

Most fans who try to remain neutral know this by now.

Messi is an athlete and hardworker as well, but not like CR, because Messi has more talent than CR.
CR compensate the lack of talent (compared to Messi) with hardworking, motivation and so on.
You can compare CR/Nadal - MESSI/Federer
As you wrote in sport forum/ tennis

"Nomally the ones who prefer Nadal to Federer should prefer Ronaldo to Messi. Same duel of different attributes and qualities.

When you say genius, talent, you say Roger and Messi.

When you say hunger, work ethic and amazing physical qualities you say Ronaldo and Nadal."

Is the same with Mozart and Salieri.

For me ALWAYS talent.

 

[raskolnikov]

Messi is an athlete and hardworker as well, but not like CR, because Messi has more talent than CR.
CR compensate the lack of talent (compared to Messi) with hardworking, motivation and so on.
You can compare CR/Nadal - MESSI/Federer
As you wrote in sport forum/ tennis

"Nomally the ones who prefer Nadal to Federer should prefer Ronaldo to Messi. Same duel of different attributes and qualities.

When you say genius, talent, you say Roger and Messi.

When you say hunger, work ethic and amazing physical qualities you say Ronaldo and Nadal."

Is the same with Mozart and Salieri.

For me ALWAYS talent.

I did prefer vegeta over goku though.

 

[serghei]

Messi is an athlete and hardworker as well, but not like CR, because Messi has more talent than CR.
CR compensate the lack of talent (compared to Messi) with hardworking, motivation and so on.
You can compare CR/Nadal - MESSI/Federer
As you wrote in sport forum/ tennis

"Nomally the ones who prefer Nadal to Federer should prefer Ronaldo to Messi. Same duel of different attributes and qualities.

When you say genius, talent, you say Roger and Messi.

When you say hunger, work ethic and amazing physical qualities you say Ronaldo and Nadal."

Is the same with Mozart and Salieri.

For me ALWAYS talent.

Mozart and Salieri is not a good comparison. Salieri is not seen as one of the greatest musicians in history, he's not even in the vicinity of that conversation. More like Mozart and Beethoven.

For me talent wins as well, based on subjective taste. But at the same time, I'm critical of those who sleep on their talent and don't work hard enough anymore, like Messi is guilty of doing in the Champions League, in most of our disaster losses (Atletico, Roma, PSG, Juventus, Bayern, even Liverpool to a degree). He has used his talent to allow him to work less. Most of his fans have fallen in the trap of considering that acceptable.

I can't sell Messi being better than Ronaldo without being biased. Champions League is the biggest club competition and Ronaldo has outperformed Messi in it. It is a black mark for Messi that he has allowed his rival to dominate him on the biggest stage.

I wouldn't classify Messi as a hard worker. I'd consider this as probably his single biggest flaw. He's not used to working hard to win and decide close games. He expects others to do it for him.

 

[raskolnikov]

Mozart and Salieri is not a good comparison. Salieri is not seen as one of the greatest musicians in history, he's not even in the vicinity of that conversation. More like Mozart and Beethoven.

For me talent wins as well, based on subjective taste. But at the same time, I'm critical of those who sleep on their talent and don't work hard enough anymore, like Messi is guilty of doing in the Champions League, in most of our disaster losses (Atletico, Roma, PSG, Juventus, Bayern, even Liverpool to a degree). He has used his talent to allow him to work less. Most of his fans have fallen in the trap of considering that acceptable.

I can't sell Messi being better than Ronaldo without being biased. Champions League is the biggest club competition and Ronaldo has outperformed Messi in it. It is a black mark for Messi that he has allowed his rival to dominate him on the biggest stage.

I wouldn't classify Messi as a hard worker. I'd consider this as probably his single biggest flaw. He's not used to working hard to win and decide close games. He expects others to do it for him.

You cant be serious with that post. Its like a fb cr7 propaganda post.
Dude is as great as messi as Gerd Muller was to Cruyff.

 

[Tackle]

Inter Milan owners Suning are looking for other sponsors and the consent of the Chinese government to take the decisive step in investing in Lionel Messi. [LaGazzettadelloSport]

Think Inter have to be the favourites to take Leo on a free next summer.

 

[Sorin]

Mozart and Salieri is not a good comparison. Salieri is not seen as one of the greatest musicians in history, he's not even in the vicinity of that conversation. More like Mozart and Beethoven.

For me talent wins as well, based on subjective taste. But at the same time, I'm critical of those who sleep on their talent and don't work hard enough anymore, like Messi is guilty of doing in the Champions League, in most of our disaster losses (Atletico, Roma, PSG, Juventus, Bayern, even Liverpool to a degree). He has used his talent to allow him to work less. Most of his fans have fallen in the trap of considering that acceptable.

I can't sell Messi being better than Ronaldo without being biased. Champions League is the biggest club competition and Ronaldo has outperformed Messi in it. It is a black mark for Messi that he has allowed his rival to dominate him on the biggest stage.

I wouldn't classify Messi as a hard worker. I'd consider this as probably his single biggest flaw. He's not used to working hard to win and decide close games. He expects others to do it for him.

Maintaining 15 years of prime is Messi not working hard. You'd think Ronaldinho would have been able to stay the best in the world if talent was enough. What an absurd argument.

Btw, news just in, it's a team sport. Look it up, it's quite interesting.

 

[DonAK]

Yes. Too bad Messi expected some help from his team mates at Anfield! Should have won it by himself again.

 

[Givenchy]

I would say its more Madrid outperforming Barca in the CL in recent years as opposed to Ronaldo outdoing Messi.

we met Ronaldo's United in the final and won with Messi running the show
we beat Ronaldo's Madrid in the CL with Messi running the show and scoring THAT goal

the last few years of Messi's career will have damaged his legacy though, no doubt about it. you try arguing with neutrals about Anfield and they don't wanna hear about the defenders at fault. I think the biggest problem for Leo is his lack of effort when we are up against it.. Ronaldo, sometimes petulantly, does everything is his power to win whilst Messi is more laid back and seems to give up

Cristiano is a champion
Messi is a genius

 

[BarcaOG]

meh, messi's record will forever be tarnished by his CL performances over the past 10 years. he might be the best league player ever, but at the knockout level, both for club an Argentina, his talent and potential was never fulfilled. you cant be the best ever in history with a record like that. event the best ever is allowed a bad game here and there, but surely the best ever would not fail to be decisive on so many occasion. too many occasions. the standard for the best ever needs to be higher and more demanding than that.

imagine a team with both CR and messi. would win the league and CL every year

 

[KingLeo10]

Messi beats CR7 comfortably in CL or LL H2H in both wins and goals/assists.

But CR7 has better performance against the rest of the field.

I wouldn't say that CR7 dominated Messi in this competition, but instead that he's performed better.

 

[Andrew M]

meh, messi's record will forever be tarnished by his CL performances over the past 10 years. he might be the best league player ever, but at the knockout level, both for club an Argentina, his talent and potential was never fulfilled. you cant be the best ever in history with a record like that. might have a bad game here and there, but not fail to be decisive on so many occasion. too many occasions.

imagine a team with both CR and messi. would win the league and CL every year

Absolute nonsense

 

[BarcaOG]

Messi beats CR7 comfortably in CL or LL H2H in both wins and goals/assists.

But CR7 has better performance against the rest of the field.

I wouldn't say that CR7 dominated Messi in this competition, but instead that he's performed better.

CR was the key player in United's 2008 victory and was the top CL scorer every time madrid won it. he had a direct and indispensable role in all 5 CLs he won.

messi not only has one less CL than CR, he also was not the key player in the 2006 one. that CL was ronaldinho's, etoo's, and decos.

CR has more goals in the CL than leo and, crucially, more knock out goals than Leo. by far, too. like over 30 goals more than messi in the knock outs.

if you guys cant accept that, lol, then idk what to say.

 

[KingLeo10]

CR was the key player in United's 2008 victory and was the top CL scorer every time madrid won it. he had a direct and indispensable role in all 5 CLs he won.

messi not only has one less CL than CR, he also was not the key player in the 2006 one. that CL was ronaldinho's, etoo's, and decos.

CR has more goals in the CL than leo and, crucially, more knock out goals than Leo. by far, too. like over 30 goals more than messi in the knock outs.

if you guys cant accept that, lol, then idk what to say.

Do you understand the concept of H2H?

Messi beat him in the 2009 CL final when CR7 was the Ballon d'Or holder and again in 2011 CL semis against RM with that goal. Yes, Messi had the better team both times but then again, CR7 had the better team from 14-18 when he was winning CLs outside of 2015 MSN Barca...which is where we won.

Where did I argue against the goals/performance against the field aspect.

 

[Vilarrubi]

Absolute nonsense

+1.