Lionel "The Greatest of All Time" Messi V2

[Windhook]

I know all this very well. You don't have to tell me about this.

Okay. Good luck!

 

[M3ls]

Don't go there. Pep has nothing against Messi. His problems were related to clashes with Rosell administration. Pep never showed anything but awe and praise on Leo, that talk is pure BS.

Messi was never defensively involved since Rijkaard era. Remember him being constantly injured earlier on, Pep and Tito introduced the attack only Messi version. And once the false 9 role it was done deal.

As for Rossel. Yes, I know there were some problems with the administration, but I don't think that was the reason. When Pep left he talked about 4 year cycles and so on, supposedly Cruyff was committed to the idea of 4 year cycles, but then he went to the City, and he has been there for 8 years. So, two options for care - 1) conflict with the administration 2) Messi I'm not saying I don't like Messi, on the contrary, he considers him the greatest. I'm talking about the fact that Leo is the kind of player - we're talking about his version after the second half of the 2011-2012 season - who does not allow the team to build total football, of which Pep is an adherent.

 

[M3ls]

I know that the role of the false nine was created for the following reasons:
1) Leo did not participate properly in defense.
That is, he often did not finish his defensive work on his flank. And by moving him as far away from the goal as possible, you to some DEGREE neutralized the negative impact of his poor play without the ball on the team’s defense.

2) Leo did not follow the principles of positional football, he likes to move freely. Remember the story of Henry, when Pep replaced him at half-time in a match in which he scored a goal due to the fact that he often moved out of his position.

So, when I say "Leo didn't contribute properly defensively (we're talking about the period when Pep just arrived)", I don't mean that he was as bad off the ball as he was in 2012-13, 13-14, etc.

Yes, he didn’t run like Pedri or Villa without the ball, but that level was more or less tolerable. The problems began later, when he began to become even more lazy.

I know all this very well. You don't have to tell me about this.

If anyone is interested, Henry mentions it here.

 

[soul24rage]

What do you mean by unsuitable conditions?

I simply suggest you the following experiment.

The average length of the field is 105 meters. Width 65 meters. You can go with 70 long and 65 wide, or 80 long and 65 wide, it all depends on how high your team presses and sets up a defensive block.

Go outside, focusing on some objects and measure this distance. Then mentally take the defensive midfielder position (or another position). And then mentally imagine that you and your 8 teammates (we don’t count the goalkeeper) will have to press or defend with a middle block in such space against an opponent who plays modern football, that is, football in which even the central defenders have an important role in advancing the ball.

Then answer my question: is this a disaster?

How about a simpler experiment.

All that pressing from Ferran Torres has resulted Barca being eliminated in the Europa League twice, getting grouped in the Champions League and resulting us having a grand total of 0 trophies for this season while playing terrible football.

My question for you is do you prefer this?

 

[Windhook]

As for Rossel. Yes, I know there were some problems with the administration, but I don't think that was the reason. When Pep left he talked about 4 year cycles and so on, supposedly Cruyff was committed to the idea of 4 year cycles, but then he went to the City, and he has been there for 8 years. So, two options for care - 1) conflict with the administration 2) Messi I'm not saying I don't like Messi, on the contrary, he considers him the greatest. I'm talking about the fact that Leo is the kind of player - we're talking about his version after the second half of the 2011-2012 season - who does not allow the team to build total football, of which Pep is an adherent.

It's unrelated to cycles. Rosell came in 2010 and sacked Cruyff immediately for being Joan Laporta's mentor. Key figures who now work at Man City left in 2010.

 

[soul24rage]

If anyone is interested, Henry mentions it here.

This has nothing to do with pressing and more about position.

 

[M3ls]

How about a simpler experiment.

All that pressing from Ferran Torres has resulted Barca being eliminated in the Europa League twice, getting grouped in the Champions League and resulting us having a grand total of 0 trophies for this season while playing terrible football.

My question for you is do you prefer this?

The classic argument of my opponents, when there is no other argument left, is Ferran Torres. You are so funny.

 

[M3ls]

This has nothing to do with pressing and more about position.

I know. I mentioned this in the context of the second paragraph

I know that the role of the false nine was created for the following reasons:
1) Leo did not participate properly in defense.
That is, he often did not finish his defensive work on his flank. And by moving him as far away from the goal as possible, you to some DEGREE neutralized the negative impact of his poor play without the ball on the team’s defense.

2) Leo did not follow the principles of positional football, he likes to move freely. Remember the story of Henry, when Pep replaced him at half-time in a match in which he scored a goal due to the fact that he often moved out of his position.

 

[M3ls]

It's unrelated to cycles. Rosell came in 2010 and sacked Cruyff immediately for being Joan Laporta's mentor. Key figures who now work at Man City left in 2010.

Yes, Pep talked about cycles. But I think the real reason is either Rossel or Messi. And I am inclined to go with Messi. And I presented my arguments. Again this is speculation.

 

[Windhook]

Yes, Pep talked about cycles. But I think the real reason is either Rossel or Messi. And I am inclined to go with Messi. And I presented my arguments. Again this is speculation.

I disagree. No manager in the world active would give up on his job and motivation because of his own best player. This argument is getting silly by the minute. Stop involving me. Have fun.

 

[soul24rage]

The classic argument of my opponents, when there is no other argument left, is Ferran Torres. You are so funny.

It's because your 'experiment' argument is shite when it comes to Messi. There is a reason why Pep gave him the license not to do a lot of pressing even though in his younger years he could have.

The fact that you don't have anything to defend for Torres who you preach so much is funny.

 

[soul24rage]

I know. I mentioned this in the context of the second paragraph

I know that the role of the false nine was created for the following reasons:
1) Leo did not participate properly in defense.
That is, he often did not finish his defensive work on his flank. And by moving him as far away from the goal as possible, you to some DEGREE neutralized the negative impact of his poor play without the ball on the team’s defense.

2) Leo did not follow the principles of positional football, he likes to move freely. Remember the story of Henry, when Pep replaced him at half-time in a match in which he scored a goal due to the fact that he often moved out of his position.

You are missing the point. Messi is the exception to the rule because he is that good. Even Pep recognizes that, which is why he gave Messi the key to roam around freely, including not pressing.

All the other players need to follow positional football.

 

[Messigician]

Messi did track back in the pep era actually

 

[Messigician]

A few examples

 

[DonAK]

So are you going to tell us how cool Semedo is?

I call clowns like you monkeys who, in the absence of any arguments, repeat over and over again that I highly appreciated and continue to appreciate Torres.

Probably as cool as Ferran Torres is going to be in a year or two, playing a middling side