Lionel "The Greatest of All Time" Messi

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Valdario

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he doesn't play as a poacher sadly like ronaldo does, that's why he's not scoring goals regularly (as that is not his main task in psg's team right now, but to feed fast runners like mbappe)

you saw yesterday what happened when you have two lazy forwards like neymar and di maria who don't make off the ball runs like mbappe does and then the whole team struggles, because they're all playmakers in their own right without a proper no. 9 (icardi is shit so he doesn't count)

his finishing has dropped off quite massively, but so did ronaldo's

when we compare the two, messi was always a bigger influence on the pitch without goals and he'll continue to be until they both retire (messi's dribbling and passing were always better and will continue to be better than ronaldo's)
 

malvolio

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Ronaldo is also in a vastly better league in a vastly poorer team but has scored more goals this season.

Can spin it both ways. No doubt Ragnick doesnt want his type in his team much like Pep/Klopp wouldnt want Messi.

Playing against Brentford is not different to playing against any side in France. I'm not talking about the top 6 here.

So yeah, can spin it both ways.
 

JamDav1982

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Playing against Brentford is not different to playing against any side in France. I'm not talking about the top 6 here.

So yeah, can spin it both ways.

Doesnt play against Brentford every week obviously so irrelevant.

Point is one league is vastly superior to the other across the board.

If Messi was in EPL would all would ever hear from the Messi fan boys would be how tougher league is.
 

malvolio

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Doesnt play against Brentford every week obviously so irrelevant.

Point is one league is vastly superior to the other across the board.

If Messi was in EPL would all would ever hear from the Messi fan boys would be how tougher league is.

Yeah, forgot about the likes of Leeds, Watford, or Burnley. Those sides may have better players and higher wages, but they don't play better than most teams in France when it comes to defending, pressing or tackling.
 

JamDav1982

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Yeah, forgot about the likes of Leeds, Watford, or Burnley. Those sides may have better players and higher wages, but they don't play better than most teams in France when it comes to defending, pressing or tackling.

Again... the point is the league in EPL is vastly superior across the board and some good players in those teams better than dross at bottom of French league.

Cling to that one though. About all have.

Trying to talk up France now haha. Perfect.
 

malvolio

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Again... the point is the league in EPL is vastly superior across the board and some good players in those teams better than dross at bottom of French league.

Cling to that one though. About all have.

Trying to talk up France now haha. Perfect.

Dross that supply lots of players to small and medium teams in the EPL. And somehow those players coming from dross teams in France do very well in the mighty EPL.

CR not being able to do shit against Leeds or Brentford is no testament to the league quality. Even more so when he literally doesn't provide anything and plays in superior team. But yeah, he probably reminds himself he plays in the Premier League and decides to not turn up because that's considered the best league right now. What kind of fucked up logic is that?
 

JamDav1982

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Dross that supply lots of players to small and medium teams in the EPL. And somehow those players coming from dross teams in France do very well in the mighty EPL.

CR not being able to do shit against Leeds or Brentford is no testament to the league quality. Even more so when he literally doesn't provide anything and plays in superior team. But yeah, he probably reminds himself he plays in the Premier League and decides to not turn up because that's considered the best league right now. What kind of fucked up logic is that?

Yes they buy the better players agreed. Plenty struggle as well though so poor point.

Plenty SPL players done well in EPL as well! Messi should move there and make the point.

EPL is vastly better league.

Best one heard yet trying to talk up French league purely because Messi is there.

Ronaldo has scored more in a much better league. Simple logic.
 

Valdario

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messi is not all about goals, when will you guys stop comparing a poacher to a playmaker with simply goals? he'll always be the better player

when ronaldo doesn't score a goal it's a disasterclass, but messi has other ways to influence a game

i can't believe people still buy into this shit that he's a better player than messi
 

malvolio

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Yes they buy the better players agreed. Plenty struggle as well though so poor point.

EPL is vastly better league.

Best one heard yet trying to talk up French league purely because Messi is there.

Ronaldo has scored more in a much better league. Simple logic.

I'm not trying to make out as if Ligue 1 is better. Just saying that there is no excuse for him to be very poor, even a burden for his team against some sides that are not much better than some French ones.

Simple logic for a simple brain. CR plays as lone striker for United and Messi plays playmaker for PSG.
 

malvolio

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messi is not all about goals, when will you guys stop comparing a poacher to a playmaker with simply goals? he'll always be the better player

when ronaldo doesn't score a goal it's a disasterclass, but messi has other ways to influence a game

i can't believe people still buy into this shit that he's a better player than messi

They don't buy it man. That's their agenda since years ago even if some are not even CR fans. But makes for a great story to put them at the same level, when in fact they never where.
 

JamDav1982

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I'm not trying to make out as if Ligue 1 is better. Just saying that there is no excuse for him to be very poor, even a burden for his team against some sides that are not much better than some French ones.

Simple logic for a simple brain. CR plays as lone striker for United and Messi plays playmaker for PSG.

The worst EPL teams will be worse than some of the better French teams but team for team the EPL is vastly superior across the board.

Messi is struggling to score in worse league. Simple logic.

You are wrong on sole striker... had some of his better games with likes of Cavani and others coming central. He has been worse since Ragnick tried to play him as sole striker.

Poch tried Messi as false nine a few times anyway and it didnt work.

Messi never needed to be a striker to get goals. So poor argument.

Also as said Messi has players like Mbappe who is up there as best in world and better players in every position in his team than Man Utd do.

Worse league by far and better team mates by far. If Messi can do it in CL fair play to him and Poch for making way for it to happen. If he doesnt it is a huge failure of a season.
 
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Rassvet

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messi is not all about goals, when will you guys stop comparing a poacher to a playmaker with simply goals? he'll always be the better player

when ronaldo doesn't score a goal it's a disasterclass, but messi has other ways to influence a game

i can't believe people still buy into this shit that he's a better player than messi

If Messi has such an influence, then why are PSG a worse team with him than without him so far this season?
 

CatalinR10

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PSG lost the title to fucking Lille last season.


Now they're 14 or whatever points above 2nd place , not to mention the +20 or whatever against Lille.



Messi bringing league titles even while being average for his standards :worthy:
 
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