Lionel "The Greatest of All Time" Messi

[te amo barca]

Agree they have better players as more money but a lot of good players being brought through systems also now.

Name the best pacey/poweful attacking players in bottom half of La Liga now and I will name the ones from EPL where there are players like Raphinha and Richarlison battling relegation.

The difference is huge.

Both Raphinha and Richarlison played for top-10 teams last season. But the likes of Everton and Leeds having the funds to splash 15m+ at multiple players makes it easy for them to attract talent, true.

Likes of Chimy Avila, RDT, Boye, Darder, Mojica, Oliveira, Unal, Luis Suarez, Machis, Morales, de Frutos, Bardhi, etc. are all good players unknown to non-LL watchers because LL doesn't have a lot of hype. The level of these players is not any worse than what the likes of Brighton, Newcastle, Brentford, Leeds, Watford, Burnley, etc. have.

Young talents like Kubo and Kang-in as well.

EPL teams do have more depth due to having more money.

The fabled pace and power of the EPL was the league's detriment for years btw, and English teams were constantly clowned in Europe where more technical teams would outplay them with ease. EPL's standards improved with the introduction of great coaches who fixed the kick-and-run mentality.

 

[Valdario]

So what makes the clubs shit on the field? Not technique and not physicality? Is it tactically?

there's less big players in the league compared to the other ones, that means they'll always try to play better against psg than any other team in the league as that game is the only one that's pushing numbers globally

the referee doesn't protect the best players in the league (messi, neymar, mbappe etc.), it's super physical compared to the other leagues, more contact allowed, all that prohibits the free-flowing game

 

[JamDav1982]

Both Raphinha and Richarlison played for top-10 teams last season. But the likes of Everton and Leeds having the funds to splash 15m+ at multiple players makes it easy for them to attract talent, true.

Likes of Chimy Avila, RDT, Boye, Darder, Mojica, Oliveira, Unal, Luis Suarez, Machis, Morales, de Frutos, Bardhi, etc. are all good players unknown to non-LL watchers because LL doesn't have a lot of hype. The level of these players is not any worse than what the likes of Brighton, Newcastle, Brentford, Leeds, Watford, Burnley, etc. have.

Young talents like Kubo and Kang-in as well.

EPL teams do have more depth due to having more money.

The fabled pace and power of the EPL was the league's detriment for years btw, and English teams were constantly clowned in Europe where more technical teams would outplay them with ease. EPL's standards improved with the introduction of great coaches who fixed the kick-and-run mentality.

Yes I am talking about this season when both Richarlison and Raphinha are in teams fighting relegation. Have others like Sarr that can move on to better teams also.

There are no players like them or close in bottom half of La Liga it is full of old attackers and ones that have failed elsewhere and little to no top pacey players.

None of those you named are top players and most have failed elsewhere. That is a god awful list for comparison. They are without doubt worse than players from clubs you mentioned.

Nor are those players all pacey attackers either. That list proves the point.

Couldnt care less about the past and who dominated then. Irrelevant to point being made.

 

[te amo barca]

Yes I am talking about this season when both Richarlison and Raphinha are in teams fighting relegation. Have others like Sarr that can move on to better teams also.

There are no players like them or close in bottom half of La Liga it is full of old attackers and ones that have failed elsewhere and little to no top pacey players.

None of those you named are top players and most have failed elsewhere. That is a god awful list for comparison. They are without doubt worse than players from clubs you mentioned.

Nor are those players all pacey attackers either. That list proves the point.

It's just you believing that Toney is better than RdT, for instance, due to the PL tax. While the low-scoring Getafe boy Cucho Hernandez is scoring chilenas vs Arsenal. None of those players would struggle in the bottom half PL teams.

There is talent everywhere. Bottom Serie A teams have many cracks there too

 

[JamDav1982]

You mention likes of Boye as some name to hold up... that guy has been a journeyman in europe who flopped in English Championship.

Chimy Avila... hit double figures once in his career.

Cucho Hernandez.. 3 goals this season and nowhere near one of the best attacking players at Watford. Proved nothing either way.

RDT is decent to be fair... the rest nah a very poor list.

There is not one player on your list any top team would be after bar maybe RDT. There is a heap in bottom of EPL that would move on to better sides.

 

[te amo barca]

You mention likes of Boye as some name to hold up... that guy has been a journeyman in europe who flopped in English Championship.

Chimy Avila... hit double figures once in his career.

RDT is decent to be fair... the rest nah a very poor list.

Boye is 26 and also "flopped" in Seria A twice. "Flopped" in LL in 17/18 at Celta too. Scored a grand 1 goal in Argentina in 16 games in 2016. Different players start performing at different times, it's just a matter of where and when it clicks. He is clearly fulfilling his talent now at Elche and looks impressive in most of their games.

 

[JamDav1982]

Boye is 26 and also "flopped" in Seria A twice. "Flopped" in LL in 17/18 at Celta too. Scored a grand 1 goal in Argentina in 16 games in 2016. Different players start performing at different times, it's just a matter of where and when it clicks. He is clearly fulfilling his talent now at Elche and looks impressive in most of their games.

Indeed he did.

Bang average player at best and much like shite like Braithwaite finds a home in average la liga side.

The fact those are type of names come up with says it all.

Act like he has exploded when has 8 goals in nearly 40 games..

Bang average list full of nobodies that no top club is signing any time soon.

Better players than most those lot in SPL. Genuinely.

 

[te amo barca]

Indeed he did.

Bang average player at best and much like shite like Braithwaite finds a home in average la liga side.

The fact those are type of names come up with says it all.

Act like he has exploded when has 8 goals in nearly 40 games..

Bang average list.

idk which stats you looked at but he has 7 goals in 20 games this season, and 7 goals in 34 last season. For a relegation candidate, those are good numbers. Of course, he would score more with a more attacking game plan and better service. Bottom LL teams in general play a variation of Atletico-Getafe shithouseball, which is why LL is a low-scoring league.

For comparison, Toney and Raphinha have 9, Richarlison 4, Sarr 5. Cornet the Lyon meme has 6.

 

[JamDav1982]

Throwing up names like Raphinha and Richarlison and getting names like Boyes and Bardhi in return as if anywhere close.

Priceless.

Keep believing.

Cornet is far better player than Boyes. Have a day off.

 

[te amo barca]

Throwing up names like Raphinha and Richarlison and getting names like Boyes and Bardhi in return as if anywhere close.

Priceless.

Keep believing.

Cornet is far better player than Boyes. Have a day off.

Cornet was not fit to tie the laces of mediocre wingers in Ligue 1, the league you're shitting on for having Messi struggle there. He is a good player and plays in a different position, can't compare him to a CF like Boye.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yet he has achieved far more in better leagues than Boye.... I never claimed every player in France is shit. Try that one again. I said EPL is taking many of their player that can do a job.

There is more individual talent in France than La Liga outwith top few teams as well. No doubt.

That list of La Liga 'talent' is an embarrasement to put forward.

As bad as ever been.

Bet the scouts be flocking to that lot this summer!

 

[ajnotkeith]

JamDav is right the bottom teams in LL don't really have much quality whereas there are some players in EPL relegation teams who could easily play for top clubs. You would never see Raphinha or Richarlison in Granada or Levante.

However lower sides in LL are well organised and know how to spoil very well so they can do better than their squad suggests.

 

[serghei]

It's just you believing that Toney is better than RdT, for instance, due to the PL tax. While the low-scoring Getafe boy Cucho Hernandez is scoring chilenas vs Arsenal. None of those players would struggle in the bottom half PL teams.

There is talent everywhere. Bottom Serie A teams have many cracks there too

Yeah, I agree about this.

EPL is super strong at the top. Have maybe 3 of the 5 best clubs in the world. And mind you it's not as much about the players (that counts a lot as well obviously) as about Pep, Klopp, and partly Tuchel. But the quality of the players outside of those teams and is not evident when compared with corresponding La Liga sides.

La Liga gets a bad rep, but when you see these lesser teams from Spain win Europa Leagues and beating EPL sides you realize there is not that much in it. There is not much between Sevilla and Arsenal or United. United and Arsenal have better players, but Sevilla are no slouch in terms of player quality and are often playing with more passion, more grit, and are better organized. Same goes for Villareal for example.

And I really don't think if you have Cadiz playing vs Norwich, Watford, or Burnley you're gonna see this amazing difference in quality. Not much in it. Cadiz beat us last season on their home ground, drew with us on Camp Nou last season too, drew with us this season again. We won 2 of the last 9 points vs Cadiz.

 

[te amo barca]

Bet the scouts be flocking to that lot this summer!

Indeed they should. LL clubs are adept at spotting talent with limited resources. Can't splash 19m on a Solanke

 

[JamDav1982]

Yeah, I agree about this.

EPL is super strong at the top. Have maybe 3 of the 5 best clubs in the world. But the quality of the players outside of those teams and 3-4 others is not evident when compared with La Liga sides.

La Liga gets a bad rep, but when you see these lesser teams from Spain win Europa Leagues and beating EPL sides you realize there is not that much in it. There is not much between Sevilla and Arsenal or United. United and Arsenal have better players, but Sevilla are no slouch in terms of player quality and are often playing with more passion, more grit, and are better organized. Same goes for Villareal for example.

It is clear as day there is more talent in EPL across the board. Have players in top international teams fighting relegation.

Likes of Villa even have Argies GK, Polish RB wanted by Atletico, French Intl LB, English intl CB, Brazil intl DM, McGinn who is wanted by top team in EPL, Coutinho, x2 English intl strikers, players like Bailey who was good in Germany and can barely get a game.

Compare that lot to who for talent? Elche? Some mid table team.