Lucas Lima

[God Serena]

Not unnerved.. Just cant be arsed with some shite angle from you in this debate.

I dont know enough about Lima to know his level in the team but dont think it excludes Alena getting minutes if he is good enough. If Lima is as average as made out and the other midfielders at the club there will be opportunities there.

It's pretty easy to see him getting opportunities here that he doesn't deserve. It wouldn't be the first time we've played awful players over better, more capable players. My worry is that this guy comes here and plays like the average over aged Brazilian that he looks to be, but he's given six months of consistent playing time in hope he "adapts", while Alena is stuck with scraps.

 

[JamDav1982]

It's pretty easy to see him getting opportunities here that he doesn't deserve. It wouldn't be the first time we've played awful players over better, more capable players. My worry is that this guy comes here and plays like the average over aged Brazilian that he looks to be, but he's given six months of consistent playing time in hope he "adapts", while Alena is stuck with scraps.

It doesnt have to be Alena v Lima if he signs and Douglas signed for more and never played so nothing to suggest he would be forced into team to prove a point.

If Lima or anyone comes in and other midfielders leave it doesnt really change the situation for Alena.

 

[Icarium]

Don't forget his injury record. Very injury prone apparently.

 

[serghei]

The salary is too much. Maybe the 4m are gross, including taxes? The problem with this high salary is that if he doesn't play well we'll be stuck with him.

 

[DonAK]

The salary is too much. Maybe the 4m are gross, including taxes? The problem with this high salary is that if he doesn't play well we'll be stuck with him.

Better be, but we'll know when MD reports it as they'll definitely get it right. Coming right from the club through a board member or something.

If it's 4m net, then it's insanity and if he's also our only midfield signing, then

 

[Messi983]

He'll just sign with us so we can sell him for 20M next summer. Robert doing his magic again.

 

[JamDav1982]

The salary is too much. Maybe the 4m are gross, including taxes? The problem with this high salary is that if he doesn't play well we'll be stuck with him.

It will be gross. There is no way he would be getting 5m after tax.

 

[serghei]

He'll just sign with us so we can sell him for 20M next summer. Robert doing his magic again.

Or loaning him after a season with us still paying 75% if not all of that salary.

It will be gross. There is no way he would be getting 5m after tax.

If it's gross than what is it net then, a little over 2m? Within the acceptable margin. The sign on bonus can be seen as a transfer sum, which can be up to 5m.

 

[DonAK]

He'll just sign with us so we can sell him for 20M next summer. Robert doing his magic again.

Perhaps he'll release him on good behaviour and pay his salary for the next 4 years.

Played some poker with Neymar, went to some parties with him. Kept good company.

 

[God Serena]

It doesnt have to be Alena v Lima if he signs and Douglas signed for more and never played so nothing to suggest he would be forced into team to prove a point.

If Lima or anyone comes in and other midfielders leave it doesnt really change the situation for Alena.

Douglas was an understood joke of a transfer by all parties involved. I think Mathieu is a better representative of forcing a player into the team. If Lima gets the Mathieu or Gomes treatment we'll be in trouble and Alena's minutes could very well suffer. And with the type of wages [MENTION=15376]DonAK[/MENTION] posted is it really even remotely worth risking this transfer anyways?

 

[DonAK]

This is a club that says they have salary problems.

There's no way anyone can justify a salary of around 4m net. Heck even 5m gross seem a lot for a 28 year old who's coming straight out of Brazil and will be a backup or bench fodder. Even Mathieu reportedly made less than that and he was 3rd choice CB until this season.

Lima might be a 5th or 6th choice midfielder.

 

[Trickykid]

ESPN Brasil

http://espn.uol.com.br/noticia/7053...veja-o-contrato-de-lucas-lima-com-o-barcelona

Saying he'll get a 5 year contract with a salary of 4m per year + a sign on bonus consisting of 5m euro in 5 years(1m every year for the duration of the contract).

Basically a salary of 5m per year.

Do people think this is a good deal too? Again, he might turn out to be a very decent backup, but paying this kind of money for a player whose level dropped significantly the last couple of years, is 27/28 and has never played out of Brazil, is a lot.

That's not even counting the agent fee Neymar Sr. will get.

I get that some people like to see everything in a good light, but surely you cannot look away everything and agree this might be OTT?

This is btw the most unbiased account you can get on Brazilian football, a proper professional and not a random Twitter account and even he think it's a bit odd this transfer:

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That seems way too high to be honest. Half that would've been expected. Then again, even if his wages are too high, perhaps 2m or so in excess, it would still only amount to a fictional transfer fee of 10m if he stays for the duration of his contract, which he hopefully only will if he turns out a success.

 

[DonAK]

Would be funny if this is all a hoax to get Santos to pay him more, created by the one and only, King of Orgies, Neymar Sr.

 

[JamDav1982]

Douglas was an understood joke of a transfer by all parties involved. I think Mathieu is a better representative of forcing a player into the team. If Lima gets the Mathieu or Gomes treatment we'll be in trouble and Alena's minutes could very well suffer. And with the type of wages [MENTION=15376]DonAK[/MENTION] posted is it really even remotely worth risking this transfer anyways?

Mathieu wasnt forced into the team and proved a good back up at CB for majority of time at club. It never stopped any youngster getting chances. Barta got ample opportunity in his time at club.

Alena if deemed good enough by manager will get chances no matter what midfielder is brought in or who is sold.

 

[God Serena]

Mathieu wasnt forced into the team and proved a good back up at CB for majority of time at club. It never stopped any youngster getting chances. Barta got ample opportunity in his time at club.

Alena if deemed good enough by manager will get chances no matter what midfielder is brought in or who is sold.

I'm talking about Mathieu at LB, not CB.

He and Adriano were forced into the LB spot so many times by Lucho it made our heads spin. Meanwhile Grimaldo wasn't even given a minute in preseason. Then in the following season Mathieu was starting games ahead of Digne and Alba at different times, and no I'm not just talking about that failed 3-4-3 experiment.