Luis Enrique
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BBZ8800
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This is from another topic, but I'll quote here, since this is more important topic:
About rotations in upcoming 7 games in a row:
El Classico is worth "only" 3 points.
The same as a match against Alaves, if you get my point.
El Classico is more important in our heads, but every match brings the same number of points.
So, you say that we need a fresh team before Classico, so that we won't lose 3 points.
But if you get me, with Lucho's logic and rotation, we will lose 10 points till Classico in order to end 1st in a CL group and in order to have fresh legs in Classico.
Lucho should have played 8 starters against Alaves and 3 subs.
Then different 8 starters today and different 3 subs against Celtic.
Then 9-10 starters on away game against Leganes, that is my point.
And not 5 starters against Alaves and 11 starters against Celtic.
And then probably 4-5 subs against Leganes again...
I know that Alaves is weak and that should have won, but with all that rest before freaking Celtic and 11 starters against them, you get the impression that this is our most important game of a season.
We have 7 matches in a row now each weekend/wednesday:
Alaves home
-- Celtic home
Leganes away
-- Atletico home
Gijon away
-- Monchengladbach away
Celta away
Try to use simple logic (and try to use Lucho's logic now): We have 22 squad players and Lucho loves to rotate a lot:
-- he rested players against Alaves
-- he will play 11 starters today
=> that means that he will probably rest starters again against Leganes on weekend, since we are playing Atletico on Wednesday again
-- Lucho surely won't play 11 starters against Celtic, Leganes and Atletico, 3 times in 8 days
-- after Atletico, he will probably rest (3-4-5) starters against Gijon again since we are playing against Monchengladbach away on Wednesday (to give rest to starters after Atletico and to prepare starters for Monchengladbach and Celta away)
-- then we play Celta away and he can play 11 starters since that is the last game (but Lucho could make some changes again to rotate players and give a chance to everyone)
My prediction: Lucho will put "funky" lineups against Leganes and Gijon away.
And he will play with strong lineups against Celtic home, Atletico Madrid home, Monchengladbach away
And who knows what he will do in the last match, against Celta away.
Imo, there are quite high chances that we will drop points at least in one La liga match (Leganes away, AM home, Gijon away, Celta away) in these 3 weeks with all these fixtures and rotations.
About rotations in upcoming 7 games in a row:
El Classico is worth "only" 3 points.
The same as a match against Alaves, if you get my point.
El Classico is more important in our heads, but every match brings the same number of points.
So, you say that we need a fresh team before Classico, so that we won't lose 3 points.
But if you get me, with Lucho's logic and rotation, we will lose 10 points till Classico in order to end 1st in a CL group and in order to have fresh legs in Classico.
Lucho should have played 8 starters against Alaves and 3 subs.
Then different 8 starters today and different 3 subs against Celtic.
Then 9-10 starters on away game against Leganes, that is my point.
And not 5 starters against Alaves and 11 starters against Celtic.
And then probably 4-5 subs against Leganes again...
I know that Alaves is weak and that should have won, but with all that rest before freaking Celtic and 11 starters against them, you get the impression that this is our most important game of a season.
We have 7 matches in a row now each weekend/wednesday:
Alaves home
-- Celtic home
Leganes away
-- Atletico home
Gijon away
-- Monchengladbach away
Celta away
Try to use simple logic (and try to use Lucho's logic now): We have 22 squad players and Lucho loves to rotate a lot:
-- he rested players against Alaves
-- he will play 11 starters today
=> that means that he will probably rest starters again against Leganes on weekend, since we are playing Atletico on Wednesday again
-- Lucho surely won't play 11 starters against Celtic, Leganes and Atletico, 3 times in 8 days
-- after Atletico, he will probably rest (3-4-5) starters against Gijon again since we are playing against Monchengladbach away on Wednesday (to give rest to starters after Atletico and to prepare starters for Monchengladbach and Celta away)
-- then we play Celta away and he can play 11 starters since that is the last game (but Lucho could make some changes again to rotate players and give a chance to everyone)
My prediction: Lucho will put "funky" lineups against Leganes and Gijon away.
And he will play with strong lineups against Celtic home, Atletico Madrid home, Monchengladbach away
And who knows what he will do in the last match, against Celta away.
Imo, there are quite high chances that we will drop points at least in one La liga match (Leganes away, AM home, Gijon away, Celta away) in these 3 weeks with all these fixtures and rotations.
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serghei
Senior Member
We run a major risk this season of going overboard with too many rotations and thus disrupting the team's flow imo. There has to be a balance, and Lucho just disrupted it by going too extreme. You don't rest Alba, Roberto, Pique, Iniesta, Messi and Suarez in the same game. You basically f-up two out of three compartments. The team can absorb very well a couple of changes in the line-up, like Gomes instead of Rakitic/Iniesta, or Umtiti instead of Mascherano or whatever, but not that many at once, and not without some of the team's leaders being on the pitch and making sure things go smoothly.
The good thing is that it is just one game, and as long as this mistakes happen on a once or twice a season basis, it's not a problem. If it starts to happen more often though, things could get tricky in La Liga this season. I have faith it won't.
The good thing is that it is just one game, and as long as this mistakes happen on a once or twice a season basis, it's not a problem. If it starts to happen more often though, things could get tricky in La Liga this season. I have faith it won't.
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Alarcón
New member
El Clasico is not worth 3 points. If we win, we get 3 points and take 3 away from Real Madrid. It's a 6 point game. No one cares whether Alaves has 3 points more or less but if RM has 3 points less because they lost against us, it's a major help for our title ambitions.
malvolio
Senior Member
it also helps in deciding the champion, if we are on equal points.
Messi983
Senior Member
As other posters already said, El Classico is basically worth 6 points. And it can also have a longterm positive/negative influence on team that wins/lose so both clasicos are not just 3 points like other 36 La Liga matches.
I totally understand and agree with your point about rotations. I've already said in Alaves match thread that Lucho made too many changes in starting XI and that we shouldn't made more than 2-3 changes between two games, possibly 4 at most if there are objective reasons for that (injuries, suspensions). But never 6 or 7 at one time.
My point was just that we should take first four CL games serious and win them so we can afford more rotations in last two. If we already have guaranteed 1st place after 4 games (which we'll have if we win all 4) we can play with first team backups and even some Barça B players like Alena, Kaptoum,... in last two group stage games.
And that's why I think playing with a strong (almost the best possible) lineup today is important. We underestimated Alaves, we can't do that again against Celtic who are better team than them. Yes, we shouldn't lost on Saturday but it's easier to make up for 3 lost points in 38 games long La Liga season than in CL. We won't lose 10 points in comparision to RM (who will also drop some points) from now until December only because we'll play with the best possible lineups in CL games. If we'll drop that many points then something else will be wrong.
Alik
Moderator
Seconded.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
I will repeat:
Did we really need to play with only 5-6 starters against Alaves so that we could save players for this awful Celtic team at Camp Nou?
I still think that we had to play with 8 starters both against Alaves and Celtic.
And not with a 2nd tier lineup against Alaves and with full strength against poor, poor Celtic.
Again, if Lucho will now rest players against Leganes, that will be a really poor planning.
It was 5:0 in the 60th minute. Why he didn't sub any of MSN after that?
What, our goal is to keep MSN and waste their energy in 5:0 and 7:0 trashings against Mickey Mouse opponents?
I don't get it, seriously.
Did we really need to play with only 5-6 starters against Alaves so that we could save players for this awful Celtic team at Camp Nou?
I still think that we had to play with 8 starters both against Alaves and Celtic.
And not with a 2nd tier lineup against Alaves and with full strength against poor, poor Celtic.
Again, if Lucho will now rest players against Leganes, that will be a really poor planning.
It was 5:0 in the 60th minute. Why he didn't sub any of MSN after that?
What, our goal is to keep MSN and waste their energy in 5:0 and 7:0 trashings against Mickey Mouse opponents?
I don't get it, seriously.
SahanBarca
New member
MSN dosen't wanna get subbed .Always wanna get more . They are Superstars .
We didnt sub MSN out last season at all
And then everybody got surprised why they suddenly became horrible in the crucial part of the season
TornAndFrayed
Banned
This may be a minority opinion here but substitutions are overrated as a means for rest. You rest players by benching them from the start, and hope the team does well so they don't have to come on. In the case of MSN, it's not worth it to annoy them and the fans by subbing them out for such a small payoff.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
I wouldn't say it's overrated if you're consistent with the subs. The minutes will total up to being significant by business end of the season.
That if you're consistent with it. Might be difficult doing that with MSN, but gotta do whatever's possible. Can't risk them running out of gas like last season.
There are games that are decided at the 60 minute mark.
That if you're consistent with it. Might be difficult doing that with MSN, but gotta do whatever's possible. Can't risk them running out of gas like last season.
There are games that are decided at the 60 minute mark.
yeah to rest MSN they should be benched from the start
You know
Start a game with
Neymar-Suarez-Arda
Arda-Suarez-Messi
Neymar-Paco-Messi
every once in a while
Then in other games play MSN
But lucho will not do that i am sure
he will start MSN all season with no subbing them off
You know
Start a game with
Neymar-Suarez-Arda
Arda-Suarez-Messi
Neymar-Paco-Messi
every once in a while
Then in other games play MSN
But lucho will not do that i am sure
he will start MSN all season with no subbing them off
TornAndFrayed
Banned
I also want to see them play less but in the form of Paco, Arda, Denis, Roberto, you name it -starting games ahead of Neymar and Suarez.
I have no hope for Messi lol
I have no hope for Messi lol
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