Wait, we're behind Juventus?
2-7 in CL finals. Perennial jokers full of geezers like us?
And Bayern are even with us at best. Only RM is clearly better...
You can check CL after 2012.
Number of semis for RM, Bayern, Juve, Barca.
Yet we had Messi in all these years.
Plus Xavi, Iniesta, Busi.
When you remove once in a lifetime Pep's era and young Messi, on larger samples in Europe, Barca is behind those clubs.
13: Bay, Bor, Barca, Real
14: Real, Atl, Bay, Chelsea
15: Bar, Juv, Real, Bay
16: Real, Atl, City, Bay
17: Real, Juv, Atl, Mon
18: Real, Liv, Bay, Roma
19: Liv, Tott, Bar, Ajax
20: Bay, Psg, Red Bull, Lyon
Titles:
4 Real
2 Bayern
1 Barca, Liverpool
Finals:
4 Real
2 Bayern (3 since 2011)
2 Atletico
2 Juventus
1 Barca, Liv, Tott, Psg, Borussia
Semis:
6 Real, Bayern
3 Barca, Atletico
2 Juventus, Liverpool
So, even in these few factors, we are around 3rd, 4th or 5th place in total over the last 8 years.
Yet, Juve was in Serie B back then.
Epl teams weren't as rich back then.
Liverpool has surpassed us currently.
You guys act as if only Barca and Real are a tier 1.
Those days are gone.
Our reality will be a rank around the 5th place in the future, roughly.
Just like before Pep.