Luis Suárez

[serghei]

It's just a power move. I doubt Suarez would never sit on bench for a year like Bale. He wills sign with someone else. (Especially if Messi leaves)

That's exactly what you need to do with guys like Suarez. The board fucked up for arriving in this place, but once it got here, you need to pressure him to move his ass.

People don't realize that the board has given power to these veterans by overpaying them by a lot, so now they are hard to move "gracefully" as Khaled dreams. Because they are near finished and most big teams know it. And these veterans are so deluded that they think a move to lesser clubs is degrading.

And that "destroying our reputation" is absolute gold. Yea, we destroy our reputation of keeping out of shape players until they are 35 and paying them as if they are in their prime. That's the reputation we're destroying.

I wouldn't be surprised if Suarez is on more money than treble winner Lewandowski, even though he is half the player and 5% the athlete.

 

[khaled_a_d]

So, yes, if Madrid is not damaging their reputation leaving Bale in the stands who scored key goals in 2 CL finals for them, neither are we.

They are, it is actually a fiasco there too. They just have better squad and manager to make it look better.

Anyone who sides with the veterans at this point is clueless. Everything that is possible and legal should be done to move them.

You always strike me as smart enough guy to comprehend complex idea, serghei. So why this simplistic view of things?
There is difference between siding with veterans, and criticizing what is happening with the club.
The club is under contract to pay this players, hell there is actually FIFA rules that protect players from being benched for contractual reasons, that he can take his full salary and then sue us for damaging his career. Rarely if ever used as players know it burns bridges with fans.
Legally we are in a weaker position, acting tough when you are in such position = acting dumb.
You do what you can to try to convince them to leave with least loss for the club, you wait and sit down with them if you needed. Telling them you are fired "Tump style"which is widely reported is dumb, and it is the very last measure.
Also, media has been on Suarez for sometime now, it feels he is scapegoated. If board make this personal , then again, they initiated this.
Again, that isn't siding with veterans. That is over simplistic

I imagine with everyone on their holidays in these circumstances that a phone call is OK and too much is being made of the length. I don't imagine you can drag a call out longer when your telling someone they are surplus to requirements.

Holidays were only one more week from being over, every one returning on Monday , and coach or one of his assistant can always go the extra mile and visit him and talk to his agent.
I mean is waiting couple more days worth paying 25M for 33 years old player to not play him? Is it worth all this drama with the new coach?

We have tried to do it the nice way with Rakitic last year and Umtiti but they are sticking around. If the player is refusing to budge then it may leave no other option but to pay out their contract.

What did we try with Umtiti? Have we ever truly tried to sell him?
And Umtiti is different case, no true history with club, chronic injury and is done as a player. You are stuck with him.
Unless he and his agents are idiots, there is no way he is saving us a penny. The mistake was done while renewing him. AT best you loan him and save portion of the salary.

Rakitic? Yeah it is easy to blame him, BUT WE DID NOT ACCEPT A SINGLE OFFER FOR HIM
This wasn't a case of get the hell out of here, it was a case of Barca wanting to sell for certain amount of money. That is cool but when you don't get such offer it is on you.
Rakitic simply didn't decline any offer we accepted

Why is ok to dismiss a manager like Valverde paying his contract and not a player.

We have every right to buy him out. We don't have any right to ask him for discount if we are not working for him on this.
If you sit with him, tell him we will try to do everything to make his exit look better, try to help him go where he want. Then there is no blame on the club.
But if you are telling him you are fired, like EV. Then pay him like you did with EV.
But for me, if we are paying full salary, I would prefer to do it with him playing not on stands.

 

[messi2140]

@Khaled your entire argument is assuming that Suarez would have left if he was approached in a better manner which I disagree with. The first few things that came out his mouth after that 8-2 were :

1 That Bayern game was a bad night
2 Lowkey blamed Setien
3 That the fans are spoiled and forgetful
4 And that he was willing to take a bench role , which cleary saw in that Osasuna game that he would never accept.


Could he have been approached in a better manner ? Sure
Would that have changed something ? I don't think so.

 

[khaled_a_d]

And that "destroying our reputation" is absolute gold. Yea, we destroy our reputation of keeping out of shape players until they are 35 and paying them as if they are in their prime. That's the reputation we're destroying.

It isn't gold.
It is the thing that keeps it more than just being a business.
For sure, we will always get players since we pay huge money. A granted contract that they get way more than any other clubs.
But it complicates things.
We have just kicked Arthur, who isn't a veteran, we are kicking Suarez and we didn't handle it smartly, the greatest player in club history is handling a transfer request and god only knows how this fiasco will end.
Those things will matter for the future.
Though, tbf with board gone by end of next season I have to admit the damage is short term.

 

[khaled_a_d]

@Khaled your entire argument is assuming that Suarez would have left if he was approached in a better manner which I disagree with. The first few things that came out his mouth after that 8-2 were :

1 That Bayern was a bad night
2 Lowkey blamed Setien
3 The fans are spoiled and entitled
4 And that he was willing to take a bench role , which cleary saw in that Osasuna game that he he would never accept that.


Could he have been approached in a better manner ? Sure
Would that have changed something ? I don't think so.

I don't take blame from him, sure he might remained an asshole and tried to impose himself on the club.
And at this point, if the club take same approach then board has done what it could and no blame on him.
Note, at worst this is just a week wasted in the sage, and the damage it might have avoided us was worth it.
If there is a further reliable reports that we sit with him/ tried to help a good move for him and he acted that way, then sure, I take my words back.

 

[TrueCule]

Suarez will stay but he won't be an undisputed starter anymore and will come off the bench. I don't see any problem if that is the case. This is one of the so called "Solomon decision" that will please both Koemander and Messi. If Suarez stays, Messi will stay too. Messi's faith in Barcelona is tightly connected to Suarez's.

 

[Respekt_III]

@ Khaled
He cant sue you for not playing him, you live in a fantasy world. We want to get rid of him and he has had offers made, nowhere in the world will he ever win a court case against us unless we don't pay him....

Secondly, there was a huge chance for him to leave gracefully to Ajax however he blatantly refused, if he wasn't prepared to go to a club that he said he would love to go back to (lol suarez and his fucking bullshit) then it's unlikely that he'll be willing to move anywhere else. To add the club would of already spoken to him signalled that they no longer required his services.

 

[JamDav1982]

Board absolutely should put him out of football if he wants full contract paid out.

It is best decision for future of club if he is unwilling to negotiate.

Anyone claiming not paying him full contract to leave on free damages club Inage going forward has no clue whatsoever.

It damages club to pay him in full and let him leave for free now.

 

[raskolnikov]

Suarez will stay but he won't be an undisputed starter anymore and will come off the bench. I don't see any problem if that is the case. This is one of the so called "Solomon decision" that will please both Koemander and Messi. If Suarez stays, Messi will stay too. Messi's faith in Barcelona is tightly connected to Suarez's.

He is on too high wages for that and doesnt have the mindset to be a supersub since he thinks he is still worldclass.
They should offer him it though: stay take a paycut and be a rotation player or move to another club.
Koeman should have explained that properly in a conversation rather than a 1 min phone call.

At this point he should go, as should Messi. Time to rip the bandaid off quick.

 

[messi2140]

I don't take blame from him, sure he might remained an asshole and tried to impose himself on the club.
And at this point, if the club take same approach then board has done what it could and no blame on him.
Note, at worst this is just a week wasted in the sage, and the damage it might have avoided us was worth it.
If there is a further reliable reports that we sit with him/ tried to help a good move for him and he acted that way, then sure, I take my words back.

I agree with you on most points (especially that if the board waited a week that it wouldn't have mattered at the end). And there have been a several precedents of this board acting in a shitty manner ( Dortmund , Roma , Liverpool etc). But when it comes to Suarez there have been several precedents of him acting like a piece of shit aswell. On the pitch with us or when he tried to force a move to Arsenal with a press conference.

End of the day we are all speculating here , but think Barca would have been pretty much in the same situation whether we waited or not.

 

[JamDav1982]

Suarez sue for not playing? What planet are folk on?

They have to provide facilities and training that is it.

 

[FC433]

I agree with both Khaled and DonAK

We mistreated Suarez and there is no excuse. Ideally, Bartomeu should have invited him into the club's office thanked him and explaind that the club wants to rebuild the team and that he should look for another team. Of course, then RK should talk to him and explain his vision (which does not include him). If he refuses to leave then we could either terminate his contract (not ideal, but fair. Both players and clubs should always try to avoid the termination/ activation of their contracts/ relase clauses, respectively. Mutual agreement should always be both parties' top priority) or give him lesser role in the team.

 

[Respekt_III]

At this point he should go, as should Messi. Time to rip the bandaid off quick.

Suarez going is like removing a knife deeply embedded in your hammy, not a band aid

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Why is he still here

 

[JamDav1982]

They are grown men being told by phone call is no huge disrespect unless full of own self importance.

Club should not be flying round Europe or waiting until players get back for players like Suarez.

Be ruthless and get him out as soon as possible in current situation is what was needed.