Is coming 5th struggling though (for them)? The Prem has a lot of good teams and United have been shockingly mismanaged over the past years, so I wouldn't call 5th a huge failure or struggling, disappointing maybe, but relative to their goals, probably not a disaster.No it's true.
You have constantly slagged me off for saying they'll struggle. When many people believe they will and based on past performance that's the most likely outcome.
I think Horatio secretly wants them to do well because of his misplaced patriotism and following anyone who has Dutch players/managers. As for you, it's pretty clear that United are likely your English 'team'. Hence your rosy, positive spins on them.
The point is loads of teams can be cup teams and fail in the league, United know that themselves from the 80s. True that counter-attack wins cup finals often. That's why counter-attack teams do well in cups and often beat Pep teams.I think he doesn't disagree with you that much and neither did I. I think the prediction of 5th and 6th is pretty fair considering they came 8th last season. They aren't close to City or Arsenal in league terms at the moment and likely worse than Liverpool, so they would fight for the 4th place along with the other teams such as Tottenham and Chelsea.
The difference is the perception and whether you think finishing 5th or fighting for top4 is positive or not. I think it is positive as long as they're trying to institutionally change and build foundations for the future, you also keep saying how they fluked an FA Cup but in reality major finals are often won by teams who spend a lot of time defending and that doesn't mean it was a fluke. Where you disagree is that you think defensive football doesn't win leagues which I agree it usually doesn't, but it can win cups, and Ten Hag has shown he's a good cup manager so far at the least.
Sure he has. Probably thinks Rashford is world-class like you eh? Probably predicts Man United to win the league every season? Probably thought Arsenal would beat Bayern last season aye?Aye a medal would be decent.
Not anyone referring to. Have spoke to him about football and he has proven his knowledge in game. But not one refer to.
Sure he has. Probably thinks Rashford is world-class like you eh? Probably predicts Man United to win the league every season?
Loads of far better players than your 'uncle's mate' talk bollocks on Sky Sports every week. Dropping a humblebrag like that in randomly is tragic.
I agree with this and did mention in my post I don't think they will ever be able to win a league title unless they switch to a far more control based system. They could keep doing well in the cups though and perhaps in CL down the line which isn't a bad thing either, it just depends what you are expecting of them.The point is loads of teams can be cup teams and fail in the league, United know that themselves from the 80s. True that counter-attack wins cup finals often. That's why counter-attack teams do well in cups and often beat Pep teams.
Where we disagree is that they're on a 'positive trajectory'. Ratcliffe and his buddies have it all to prove and I remain unconvinced it isn't another clown show, and the transfers made reinforce that view in me,
I am sure if I said this stuff on Arsenal Mania, Bluemoon, RAWK, Newcastle forums, Villa Talk etc most would agree with me and 'like' my posts. But United have a few sympathisers on here bizarrely enough.
I think it's because none of you are English so you see United as more 'entitled' to success than Newcastle or Aston Villa. To you Man United are English football royalty. They 'should' be at the top of the English game, so you tie yourself in knots to proclaim them 'on the way back'
But they're most likely not.
Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if they finished 8th again, which is definitely struggling.Is coming 5th struggling though (for them)? The Prem has a lot of good teams and United have been shockingly mismanaged over the past years, so I wouldn't call 5th a huge failure or struggling, disappointing maybe, but relative to their goals, probably not a disaster.
If you don't understand that a team from 2018-2024 that plays the best football English football has ever seen, a team which wins trebles and CL, would beat a 90s team with guys like 'G Nev', Hughes and McClair in it handily, then you haven't a clue.Opinions.
By an utterly incompetent disaster of a board who signed basically average players for giant fees, yes, that is what led them to this problem, they have repeatedly signed average players for grossly inflated fees for many years now.Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if they finished 8th again, which is definitely struggling.
Either way, the money they have spent on transfers and wages is astronomical, yet you paint 5th as a decent return for them (I know your caveat is they're 'improving', based on absolutely nothing by you).
If you don't understand that a team from 2018-2024 that plays the best football English football has ever seen, a team which wins trebles and CL, would beat a 90s team with guys like 'G Nev', Hughes and McClair in it handily, then you haven't a clue.
The league is miles better now than in the 90s when United were on top. City get far more points and are far more dominant.
it's not up for debate.
Are you a City fan by chance? You spoke about bluemoon and you seem to really hate United and their fans.If you don't understand that a team from 2018-2024 that plays the best football English football has ever seen, a team which wins trebles and CL, would beat a 90s team with guys like 'G Nev', Hughes and McClair in it handily, then you haven't a clue.
The league is miles better now than in the 90s when United were on top. City get far more points and are far more dominant.
it's not up for debate.
They can't switch to a 'far more control based system' - because counter-attack is in the ethos and identity of their club. For years their fans extolled Ferguson football and mocked Spain and Barca for being boring'.I agree with this and did mention in my post I don't think they will ever be able to win a league title unless they switch to a far more control based system. They could keep doing well in the cups though and perhaps in CL down the line which isn't a bad thing either, it just depends what you are expecting of them.
If you expect them to be league winners soon, then of course, that is never happening, and you'll see them as a failure. I just think for now it isn't the worst thing if they are competing for 4th place and doing well in cups as they have been in a dire state over the last decade.
Fair enough, that's your opinion. I think the new board will prove to be incompetent too.By an utterly incompetent disaster of a board who signed basically average players for giant fees, yes, that is what led them to this problem, they have repeatedly signed average players for grossly inflated fees for many years now.
That board is gone and I think the new one will learn some lessons of the past from the awful business done by the Glazers.
Unfortunately the corrupt, horrible old gin-soaked cunt is still alive.Fergie will be turning in his grave.
