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It's a huge sum for a player who's never been world class and who's mentally weak.

The irony of an Arsenal fan talking about the player of another team being 'mentally weak'. Arsenal would have won much more in recent years had they not always had a team of bottlers. The same this year too. In a season where pretty much everybody has beaten United, Arsenal have been unable to, home and away. It must be horrible to support a talented team with no heart. Constantly thinking about what could have been....
 
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antonnn

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The irony of an Arsenal fan talking about the player of another team being 'mentally weak'. Arsenal would have won much more in recent years had they not always had a team of bottlers. The same this year too. In a season where pretty much everybody has beaten United, Arsenal have been unable to, home and away. It must be horrible to support a talented team with no heart. Constantly thinking about what could have been....
Yeah it's down to that failure of a manager they have.
 

Dave Saves

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It's a huge sum for a player who's never been world class and who's mentally weak.

I really like the revisionism. Rooney is no longer world class, but he sure was in 2009-10, it's almost as if people don't really care about what has actually happened while making points and just post whatever suits their opinion. Although it doesn't surprise me to be honest.
 
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Jayuk

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United are a very old fashioned football club who need to get with times in many ways, from tactics (constant reliance of wing play)/formations (4-4-2)/transfer fees (no value, offering laughable money for players, bad relationships with agents) and principles (for example sticking with a manager who is clearly out of his depth/hiring this said manager in the first place just because he's Scottish/thinking experience beats youth hence 40 year old Giggs playing) All that is down to the influence of 70+ year old men in Sir Bobby Charlton and Sir Alex.

-------De Gea
Rafael---Jones---Vidic---Evra
-----Carrick----Felliani-----
Januzaj----Rooney-----Mata
----------RVP

That team could challenge any top team in Europe, yet never plays because Sir Alex still clearly has influence saying 'the United way is wing play' (ie:- Young and Valencia).

Moyes never played 4-4-2 at Everton and never really liked his traditional wingers, so this proves Sir Alex still has a major say in what is happening at United and one of the reasons why he recommended Moyes rather the Mourinho to the Glazers, no way could Sir Alex manipulate Jose Mourinho into making certain selections and tactics.
 
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S7_MUFC

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United are a very old fashioned football club who need to get with times in many ways, from tactics (constant reliance of wing play)/formations (4-4-2)/transfer fees (no value, offering laughable money for players, bad relationships with agents) and principles (for example sticking with a manager who is clearly out of his depth/hiring this said manager in the first place just because he's Scottish/thinking experience beats youth hence 40 year old Giggs playing) All that is down to the influence of 70+ year old men in Sir Bobby Charlton and Sir Alex.

-------De Gea
Rafael---Jones---Vidic---Evra
-----Carrick----Felliani-----
Januzaj----Rooney-----Mata
----------RVP

That team could challenge any top team in Europe, yet never plays because Sir Alex still clearly has influence saying 'the United way is wing play' (ie:- Young and Valencia).

Moyes never played 4-4-2 at Everton and never really liked his traditional wingers, so this proves Sir Alex still has a major say in what is happening at United and one of the reasons why he recommended Moyes rather the Mourinho to the Glazers, no way could Sir Alex manipulate Jose Mourinho into making certain selections and tactics.
Ferguson has absolutely no influence on the team and tactics.....He was always against outside interference and advocated for managers having the final say on all things...........Moyes relied on workmen like players playing on the wings at everton and He picked the same team you picked against palace....He's just afraid to pick that team against stronger sides..........
 
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Jayuk

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I’m talking manipulation.

Moyes was manipulated by Sir Alex and Sir Bobby into carrying on United’s traditions and style of play when he took the job.

“I will definitely continue the traditions of Manchester United” – David Moyes.

Manchester United’s traditions playing wise is direct attacking football with traditional wingers.

If Moyes changes United’s style, it won’t be Manchester United anymore in a traditional sense and I remember Sir Alex saying the next United manager needs to understand and carry on with United’s traditions, yet its these traditions what is hurting the club because they are outdated, just how their theory of longevity is the key success is outdated, in Moyes and not sacking him they are learning the hard way in that too and are going to miss out on next seasons Champions League because of it.

Why don't they just put the poor man out of his misery? Who knows maybe then he can get another job, saving face with the excuse ‘I wasn’t given time’.

If Manchester United keep Moyes as manager for 2 or 3 years and nothing improves, the only ones who suffer is the club/the fans and David Moyes himself because he has to find another job afterwards, who would hire him though? If United sacked him now though (you know other clubs ways) David Moyes the manager would live to fight another day at another club, win/win for all parties surely?
 
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S7_MUFC

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I’m talking manipulation.

Moyes was manipulated by Sir Alex and Sir Bobby into carrying on United’s traditions and style of play when he took the job.

“I will definitely continue the traditions of Manchester United” – David Moyes.

Manchester United’s traditions playing wise is direct attacking football with traditional wingers.

If Moyes changes United’s style, it won’t be Manchester United anymore in a traditional sense and I remember Sir Alex saying the next United manager needs to understand and carry on with United’s traditions, yet its these traditions what is hurting the club because they are outdated, just how their theory of longevity is the key success is outdated, in Moyes and not sacking him they are learning the hard way in that too and are going to miss out on next seasons Champions League because of it.

Why don't they just put the poor man out of his misery? Who knows maybe then he can get another job, saving face with the excuse ‘I wasn’t given time’.

If Manchester United keep Moyes as manager for 2 or 3 years and nothing improves, the only ones who suffer is the club/the fans and David Moyes himself because he has to find another job afterwards, who would hire him though? If United sacked him now though (you know other clubs ways) David Moyes the manager would live to fight another day at another club, win/win for all parties surely?
You can't read too much into that comment...that was made when United were on a high having just won the league..............I doubt fergie would've made same comments if we were languishing in 7th place.....Moyes will be allowed to spend 150 million in the summer on the players of his choice...Do you really think Moyes can have 100% power on transfers yet have no say on the tactics??? His insistence on wing-play is simply down to his inability to coach the movement and tactics(ie. Pep style training sessions) required to get the best out of other formations utilizing the likes of Mata and Kagawa...
 

Martindn

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You can't read too much into that comment...that was made when United were on a high having just won the league..............I doubt fergie would've made same comments if we were languishing in 7th place.....Moyes will be allowed to spend 150 million in the summer on the players of his choice...Do you really think Moyes can have 100% power on transfers yet have no say on the tactics??? His insistence on wing-play is simply down to his inability to coach the movement and tactics(ie. Pep style training sessions) required to get the best out of other formations utilizing the likes of Mata and Kagawa...

After the shambles of the summer i dont even want Moyes to have 100-150+ million plus, thats a quarter of the debt imagine the shite that would be brought in i mean theres talk of Aaron fucking Lennon. He did alright with Mata, he still cant figure out a way to play him correctly though so bypass him entirely. He either has to go now or at the end of next season as a new manager currently would need the remaining games and the transfer window, and as i cant see us sacking him now we have him for a long time yet for better or worse.
 

S7_MUFC

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After the shambles of the summer i dont even want Moyes to have 100-150+ million plus, thats a quarter of the debt imagine the shite that would be brought in i mean theres talk of Aaron fucking Lennon. He did alright with Mata, he still cant figure out a way to play him correctly though so bypass him entirely. He either has to go now or at the end of next season as a new manager currently would need the remaining games and the transfer window, and as i cant see us sacking him now we have him for a long time yet for better or worse.
This summer could be our get out of jail card if we sack Moyes and let new manager spend 100 million but by the looks of things we will be what Liverpool were before this season and Moyes will do similar job to what Kenny Dalglish did with the transfer kitty.........
 

veryfatchocobo

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You guys don't really need to even spend that much to improve your situation.... This is literally almost the same team that won the league comfortably last year. And you guys played some good football, too, and even played balls through the middle at times too. The only difference personnel-wise is that Rooney wasn't playing that much towards the end of the campaign last season with Kagawa starting at LW (shocker amirite). I find it shortsighted by the media to blame the same players that won the league last year for playing like shit now.....

Though then again, Carrick and Cleverley are looking short when there's NO ONE in the middle. There's no reason for Man U to scapegoat Cleverley when he was good last season................. It's absurd and it has to be a manager and backroom staff fault. All you guys really need to do is drop RvP or Rooney in the 4-4-2 (obviously keep Rooney though and RvP should be dropped after what he said after the Olympiakos game). Their best performances were with Kagawa permanently at CAM (4-0, 5-0, CL dominations, Swansea game, you name it....) with Rooney at Striker. Their situation doesn't need to be solved with Rocket Science, they just simply need to drop the 4-4-2 for a real 4-2-3-1... or even a 4-3-3, especially with Cleverley and Carrick looking short all the time. They have the personnel to play with inside wingers too and they're just simply not doing it. Moyes needs to adjust to the team, not the team adjust to Moyes....

Honestly, spending 100 million just to keep the "Man U" tradition will kill the team as they already have a world class team especially on offense. They already have the personnel to play the Man U way last year. And they also have a worldclass team for an inside winger setup. Any more big changes and the team is permanently screwed under any manager. I wouldn't mind them paying that much though LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
 
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Haruko The Goon

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The irony of an Arsenal fan talking about the player of another team being 'mentally weak'. Arsenal would have won much more in recent years had they not always had a team of bottlers. The same this year too. In a season where pretty much everybody has beaten United, Arsenal have been unable to, home and away. It must be horrible to support a talented team with no heart. Constantly thinking about what could have been....

why's that Ironic? I'll be the first to say the Arsenal squad has this auro of weakness and vulnerability around them/us. I'm not biased. and I agree we'd have won the fucking 2008 league if our players weren't soft to the core.

Doesn't mean I doubt rooneys Mentality.
 
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Haruko The Goon

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Yeah it's down to that failure of a manager they have.

I agree. He's too.... smart for his own good. Brains are great, a plan is great, a strategy is great.
But Ruthlessness to strike when the iron is hot can stipulate a side, or keep it steady. Wengers kept us steady, and I've been impressed that he's been able to do that, but to take us to that next level?
to win, against the big guys around Europe on a regular basis? No chance.
 

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