Matthijs de Ligt

[VN10]

Pique is hands down our worst starter and Umtiti's future is uncertaun so logically we do need to go big for another CB.

People in charge wont be selling Pique though considering he's a poster boy Catalan. Hopefully he moves on himself and preserves his legacy.

Dude! Have some respect! We can't say that about Pique, according to [MENTION=19517]Leo_Messi[/MENTION], because Pique once won a world cup!
And we dont need another CB, according to [MENTION=19517]Leo_Messi[/MENTION]. He knows, so you are wrong. Period.

/sarcasm off

 

[Leo_Messi]

Dude! Have some respect! We can't say that about Pique, according to [MENTION=19517]Leo_Messi[/MENTION], because Pique once won a world cup!
And we dont need another CB, according to [MENTION=19517]Leo_Messi[/MENTION]. He knows, so you are wrong. Period.

/sarcasm off

Yes, that is just what I wrote from page 56 and onwards on as did pretty much every other user as well who agreed with me while "discussing" with you. Great trolling. Exactly what I say above your post as well. Nice bit of trolling. You should tag all the other moderators next time around. That will make your "arguments" stronger and mine "weaker".

 

[VN10]

Since you're 14, I'll give you some slack.

 

[mc_lovin]

If we can afford him I am all for it. He offers the biggest value in the current market - even at 80m. Our biggest needs are what? A backup lb/cf? The lb should be a minor transfer and the forward market offers nothing. Another midfielder isnt needed as well. Would be a no brainer really if Pique was 2 years older.

 

[Leo_Messi]

Since you're 14, I'll give you some slack.

If I am 14, you must be a toddler.

We have 0 top defenders, 1 potential top defender in Umtiti, a decent back up in Lenglet, a meme in Pique and an unproven young talent.

Our terrible central defence is being masked by Ter Stegen, Alba and Busquets.
Imagine if we had a good defence that could grow into the world's best, something along the lines of De Ligt + Umtiti...

I especially loved the comment about Busquets (his current version the last season and this one) being a key contributor to "shielding" our defence and making it look less terrible. Tells me how few games of the club that you pretend to be a fan of, you watch.

Konaté is just another Mina, a defender that is not of the right skill level nor is the type of player that suits the Barca style.

Another gem of a post and talking about a player that you have clearly never watched even once.

Stop pretending that LaLiga is of the same level as the Premier League. That's laughable.
We are talking about the general strength of competition, not about the top teams in a competition.

1. Premier League

2/3. La Liga and Bundesliga

4/5. Serie A and Ligue 1

Mainly because Lenglet has been nothing short of excellent since he came in this summer. I'm pretty confident of Lenglet + Umtiti + Pique + Todibo (if he becomes good) of managing our CB situation for the next few years. And 3 of those players are still young.

If Umtiti's injury is career threatening though, we may need to take serious measures as he is the key figure in our defensive line for the future.

Reply to the above post on page 49:

Hmm, I strongly disagree. That would be the weakest central defence line in the top of European football.

De Ligt + Umtiti, with Lenglet as back up could be considered strong now and probably super strong in 2 years.

Imagine what the current Barca team could do if they had a good defence line... We are lacking hard in defence. Pique is weak as fuck, Lenglet is decent, we dont have a good rightback, and because of that Alba and Busi are not performing as good as they would be able to with a good defence line. De Ligt would solve most of our defensive problems and a good right back would turn our defence into a very good one.

A real gem, this guy.

Alba not performing well, and now suddenly Busquets, the guy that helped make our defence NOT look terrible, is suddenly a problem as well. Contradiction much? Make up your mind when trolling.

[MENTION=12859]Alik[/MENTION] said it perfectly on page 55 in this thread.

Your whole post history is laughable.

What a joke!

 

[Zidane82]

If he didn’t have Raiola as agent I think we would have got him. Now I don’t believe we will.

Keep the faith .. I still think we will get him .

 

[khaled_a_d]

Raiola is not his agent. He is just a broker between de Light and his agent. His job is to find the best economic deal for both of them. So I doubt that Raiola will be a challenge. Bartomeu, apparently, has good relations with him as well.

I thought to make same argument about Raiola not being his agent but then I looked to his actual agent:

https://www.transfermarkt.com/barry-hulshoff/beraterfirma/berater/4710

He is a nobody tbh.
Unless there is a family ties or strong relationship between De Ligt and his agent, tough not to consider raiola as his de facto agent.

What it is gonna boil down to is whether there are better options out there, whether his rumored price will be worth it and whether or not the club decides to spend big bucks on a CB. Basically the factors that I discussed in this thread earlier. Is Umtiti going to be healthy long-term and can he be trusted for the next season? What is the plan with Todibo? Is he as highly rated as claimed and if such can he replace Vermaelen and get somewhat frequent playing time in the next season? What about Piqué? Is the club ready to move on or turn him into a substitute and is Piqué fine with that or will he look for other pastures or stay as a nominal starter for another season? Would de Light demand a starting spot from the get go given his young age, talent and what is being said in the media that this is indeed the case? Many questions.

This is very true, along another question if Umtiti is healthy, whether the club thinks a partnership between Lenglet and Umtiti can exist or not.

Our interest in him is old so a transfer is very possible. Let us see.

Roberto was the one really interested in De Ligt, since Abidal cam rumors has cooled down tbh

 

[Leo_Messi]

I thought to make same argument about Raiola not being his agent but then I looked to his actual agent:

https://www.transfermarkt.com/barry-hulshoff/beraterfirma/berater/4710

He is a nobody tbh.
Unless there is a family ties or strong relationship between De Ligt and his agent, tough not to consider raiola as his de facto agent.




This is very true, along another question if Umtiti is healthy, whether the club thinks a partnership between Lenglet and Umtiti can exist or not.



Roberto was the one really interested in De Ligt, since Abidal cam rumors has cooled down tbh

I don't know about that one, we can only guess, but you might be onto something there. All that we know, for now that is, is that his official agent is not Raiola.

Indeed but apparently what I wrote from page 56 onwards and just recently is trolling according to our Dutch friend [MENTION=23569]VN10[/MENTION] .

That is true however if local Catalan and Spanish media rumors (some reliable journalists as well) are genuine, that interest has not changed after Roberto's departure. I mean there is a very, very big chance of the board and Bartomeu having discussed de Light with Overmars and Ajax just recently. Also if I should make a guess, just like I did with de Jong which turned out to be the true (not that one needed to be a genius to figure that out), de Light would want to move to us more than any other club out there IMO. That has not changed for the worse after de Jong was bought. Anyway let us see what will happen.

 

[VN10]

Dont embarass yourself more [MENTION=19517]Leo_Messi[/MENTION].

 

[Vilarrubi]

Dont embarass yourself more [MENTION=19517]Leo_Messi[/MENTION].

Cmon man... you had a bitch fit about the name on Frenkie’s thread being changed to “Farmer” and hoped that he would go to PSG because we were all just bitter, then you deleted the post.....

 

[Devils]

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Mattijs sending hints all over the place.

Barto needs to assemble the goon squad and get the boy.

 

[Vilarrubi]

[tw]1088584228126773248[/tw]

Mattijs sending hints all over the place.

Barto needs to assemble the goon squad and get the boy.

How can Barto resist that smile.

 

[Leo_Messi]

Dont embarass yourself more [MENTION=19517]Leo_Messi[/MENTION].

All my arguments (as usual) are factual and spot on. Your one-liner is telling. I guess that my most recent post even made you embarrassed?

Anyway, I don't bother wasting my time on a useless discussion any longer. I am just wasting my time with a Dutch teenager.

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Mattijs sending hints all over the place.

Barto needs to assemble the goon squad and get the boy.

[MENTION=11668]khaled_a_d[/MENTION], just what I wrote about him wanting us more than any other club (most likely case). Not the least surprised. Same story as with de Jong.

 

[VN10]

[MENTION=19517]Leo_Messi[/MENTION], dont overestimate yourself. Seems like you are very insecure, that's why you have to give yourself complements? Don't worry, you'll grow up.

[MENTION=11668]khaled_a_d[/MENTION], and the rest of you at this forum, let me explain the situation regarding the representatives around De Ligt.

Who represents Matthijs de Ligt:
- Frank de Ligt (his father)
- Barry Hulshoff (ex Dutch national team player and former club coach, now 72 y/o)

What's the story behind it?
- Frank de Ligt contacted Barry Hulshoff to represent Matthijs when other eager agents started approaching Matthijs;
- Frank choose Barry because he had heard that Barry represented another (rather unkown) player;
- Chats with Barry, 69 and retired, made it clear to Frank that Barry was not in it for the money;
- Barry does this out of enjoyment since he has already retired, obviously Barry will be compensated financially anyway.
- Frank + Barry have started a company together, the sole purpose of the company is representing Matthijs (and 1 or 2 other players).

What is Raiola's job?
Very simple, in fact. Frank nor Barry have the knowledge or manpower (lawyers and so on) to succesfully seal an international deal of this amptitude (50+ million).
Raiola and his team/company will help them out. Raiola is not his agent. Raiola is more of a mediator, a consultant and councelor, who will operate according to the whishes of Matthijs' actual agents; Frank & Barry.

Now here ends my factual knowledge.

What I think, speculation obviously, is that Raiola will receive a fixed amount + a % percentage related to the transfer fee and/or wage.
But what's very important: Frank, Barry and Matthijs are in control, are the ones who decide and have the final say.

Whats in it for Raiola?
He doesn't need to do all the regular - most labour intensive - tasks that an agent normally does for a player.
Raiola only needs to make a deal. Nothing else. Way less work for Raiola, which obviously involves a lesser fee than normally.

We shouldn't be too scared for Raiola, this time he works for a player. Normally it's almost the other way around!

Hope all is clear for you guys?

 

[Luftstalag14]

[MENTION=23569]VN10[/MENTION], appreciated the info. What is the rumored salary and commission demands that have been circulating around for De Ligt?