Mavericky Puig

[Messi983]

let him go to gym and grow a beard then he is a man

He should also learn to play trumpet and then he can be our Villalibre.

 

[Andresito]

He should also learn to play trumpet and then he can be our Villalibre.

Puig's just been demoted to top 2 cheerleader in the world.

 

[Bobo32]

A bit of a dishonest reply from you, this. You could at least point to the lost duels and battles which I asked for.

Then you need to be more specific. Not exceptional ranges from absolute dogshit to a very good performance. Many of my points you seem to agree with, some of them you place blame on the other players or say it's okay Puig did that because of X reason. The first point I made is valid, replying lol to it adds nothing.

I was specific, I pointed to one nice sequence in a non-exceptional game.
I don't blame anyone, just analyze the random situations in a game that you brought up. I saw no fault in Puig in the majority of them and no big fault in his team mates either in most situations. You're the one looking for problems, I see a team in full control of the ball, playing pretty well.

The point with that first sequence was he was lucky to escape with the ball, he won't always have Girona level players trying to get it off him, even if he did he wouldn't always be so lucky.

Not at all lucky, he is in complete control. The opponent is just a minor annoyance to him there when looking for the forward pass, he instead created a safe 3v1 with the back pass, just as he shows he is able to do against Atletico or Juventus as well.

His pass to the right foot of alena wasn't a good one, not a big deal to admit that.

I just explained what he succesfully did.

Alena being shit or not is nothing to do with it, if you pass the ball to your teammate and the ball isn't on the ground they need to take another touch to control the ball first, therefore losing the intensity of the quick passing that would create an advantage in the given position.

If anything he helped Alena with the fast pass, which was needed for him to have a large space to move into as the defender started to rush him from behind. A midfield player is expected to handle a fast pass, as Alena did.

Also his pointless dribble you say it's perfectly fine but that he also could have found Alba. Same sort of decision making you'd have a go at Frenkie or Pedri for doing.

If he constantly missed runs I'd have a go at him. Maybe you didn't even see the run before I pointed it out? He got it to the other flank instead, while keeping an eye for a potential pass through the middle, no big deal.

As a whole in that video he made one good pass in a game that didn't matter against Girona (segunda division), and this is praise-worthy? All whilst ignoring the rest of his actions that were either exactly what is to be expected of a pro footballer or were in fact below standard.

I praised one sequence. There was another very nice sequence that you didn't comment, too. Everyone can make up their mind if there was below standard stuff from Puig in that video, apart from the two failed attempts at decisive balls.

 

[Rory]

His highlights video isn't going to contain heading duels he didn't compete in. That was more a general statement of his height and physique. He's not going to win any headers.

All these replies highlight is how there's excuses for one player but not for others, despite them performing mostly very well throughout an entire season of football (where we may win a domestic double). As opposed to a nice pass in one game against Girona that didn't matter.

Pedri and Frenkie are criticised heavily by you despite operating at much higher levels and against far stronger opposition. Meanwhile Puig does a handful of flashy nice looking things in a game and several poor or average things and it's "wow he's amazing".

Apply your criticisms for one player for all others and you'll understand why Puig sits on the bench.

 

[Bobo32]

His highlights video isn't going to contain heading duels he didn't compete in. That was more a general statement of his height and physique. He's not going to win any headers.

All these replies highlight is how there's excuses for one player but not for others, despite them performing mostly very well throughout an entire season of football (where we may win a domestic double). As opposed to a nice pass in one game against Girona that didn't matter.

Pedri and Frenkie are criticised heavily by you despite operating at much higher levels and against far stronger opposition. Meanwhile Puig does a handful of flashy nice looking things in a game and several poor or average things and it's "wow he's amazing".

Apply your criticisms for one player for all others and you'll understand why Puig sits on the bench.

Not true, and a shitty response from you.

He headed the ball once in that video btw, just in the mid circle (he also scored his goal this season on a header), and he won the ball in duels a couple of times in that video, by being quick.

 

[Rory]

Btw your response was the shitty one for saying shitty response. My reply was perfectly fine within the context of the conversation. Sorry that I?m holding a window up to the reality of a Puig performance. Haven?t really countered my points on his individual moments other than making up silly excuses.

Yes he headed the ball once. He?s not going to consistently be able to do that against top teams.

 

[Porque]

From page 1.

He doesn't look 16.

How about now?

 

[Bobo32]

Btw your response was the shitty one for saying shitty response. My reply was perfectly fine within the context of the conversation. Sorry that I?m holding a window up to the reality of a Puig performance. Haven?t really countered my points on his individual moments other than making up silly excuses.

Yes he headed the ball once. He?s not going to consistently be able to do that against top teams.

You misunderstood my post from the beginning and continue with the misunderstanding even with me explaining thrice.
I quoted you and countered every word in a structured direct manner, then you replied without quoting, laying words in my mouth, misrepresenting half of what I said while leaving the rest unmentioned. This is what I meant with shitty.

Some of your takes on these situations are ridiculous no matter what, but at the whole, you clearly have a completely different view of football to mine, fine! I was simply pointing to that nice little sequence, in this thread of his. I did not compare him to other players or say "wow he's amazing". Maybe I should sign up for a Real Betis forum in advance and post about him there, this thread on the Barcelona forum seems to mostly be about ridiculing this player, whether tounge-in-cheek or with clear malice. I like his style, and I am not his dad. I am the first to admit his mistakes, which are few and far between though. If they'd start coming more often, it would not be tough for me to say he's becoming a bit shit.

He didn't lose any duels, battles or headers in that game by the way, and I'd be happy to see if you could find one appearance of his in which he lost more than half of the duels/battles that he won.

 

[Alik]

Send this bum to Leeds United. Bielsa will fix him and turn him into a man.

 

[Barcaman]

 

[Rory]

You misunderstood my post from the beginning and continue with the misunderstanding even with me explaining thrice.
I quoted you and countered every word in a structured direct manner, then you replied without quoting, laying words in my mouth, misrepresenting half of what I said while leaving the rest unmentioned. This is what I meant with shitty.

Some of your takes on these situations are ridiculous no matter what, but at the whole, you clearly have a completely different view of football to mine, fine! I was simply pointing to that nice little sequence, in this thread of his. I did not compare him to other players or say "wow he's amazing". Maybe I should sign up for a Real Betis forum in advance and post about him there, this thread on the Barcelona forum seems to mostly be about ridiculing this player, whether tounge-in-cheek or with clear malice. I like his style, and I am not his dad. I am the first to admit his mistakes, which are few and far between though. If they'd start coming more often, it would not be tough for me to say he's becoming a bit shit.

He didn't lose any duels, battles or headers in that game by the way, and I'd be happy to see if you could find one appearance of his in which he lost more than half of the duels/battles that he won.

You?re literally describing exactly what you?ve done yourself. Misrepresenting what I?ve said. Your counter arguments for what I?ve said was biased nonsense as is most of what you post.

You have this view youre a football connoisseur who loves the beautiful game and everyone else is a Neanderthal who wants route one football. Join the Betis forum by all means PLEASE!

 

[Bobo32]

You?re literally describing exactly what you?ve done yourself. Misrepresenting what I?ve said. Your counter arguments for what I?ve said was biased nonsense as is most of what you post.

You have this view youre a football connoisseur who loves the beautiful game and everyone else is a Neanderthal who wants route one football. Join the Betis forum by all means PLEASE!

Nah I think I'll continue to write anyway. At least until Puig, Busquets and Messi are gone and replaced with Ilaix, Wijnaldum and Depay, or if Xavi returns...

Give me an example where I misrepresented something you said?

You are unbiased right? Taking the opportunity to criticize succesful passes in a video posted for one specific moment...

I have my view on football, marinated through many years of watching Barcelona. I am sure I'd be treated with more respect sitting at a table and talking football with Xavi, Pep and Johann than I get here... I feel I have a good intuition and mostly agree whenever people like that comment on football, here I get treated as a troll. I do not focus on what your knowledge level is or your preferred style, it is a bit interesting to discuss situations as we did before, but you then turned it into a comparison with other players and into a discussion about how I have different standards, instead of keeping the focus on the situations.

 

[Rory]

Just making baseless claims like you bobo that's all. I'm sure Xavi and co would love to sit around a table and listen to your Xavi/Arthur comparisons. I'm sure they'd love to listen to you bash Pedri, Frenkie, Ilaix and then not use that same logic when critiquing Puig.

"I have my view on football, marinated through many years of watching Barcelona" - As does every other person on this forum. It doesn't make you unique.

My analysis of his moments in that video were fair. Interestingly I was able to point to the fact he gave a good pass because I analysed the video without being biased. You've thrown the toys out the pram coming up with every excuse under the sun as to why the small errors I could see in his moments weren't actually errors, or if they were, they were the fault of someone else.

And the funny thing is, I like watching Puig play, wish he would have been loaned out to a team to get game time, I would have watched those matches. I think he's good at what he does, I just don't think he's half as good at those things than you think. He's also got some serious flaws that leave him at best a late sub for us.

 

[Bobo32]

"Just making baseless claims like you bobo that's all"
Which you don't show any examples of even though I ask.

I am debating honestly and directly and I describe the situations as I see them. I have no need to be unique.
You tried to show all his errors in that video and anyone would agree that you were being very picky in trying to fault him for a one-touch back pass or for progressing the ball from one flank to the other. I think it's interesting to discuss situations like that, but you can't call many of these situations errors, regardless of style.

Here is another nice thing Puig did in that video I posted, of a game that wasn't otherwise spectacular in any way, but wherein Puig and Alena dominated the midfield nicely and Puig only made two mistakes while trying to create chances: https://youtu.be/SUbRHJ4SXv8?t=108 (1:48 in)
A nice position to recieve, checking the shoulder twice before, advancing into space between two opponents, finding the right player for a 1-2 into the right space, misjudging the return pass just a bit, still managing to control it, immediately knowing the safe space to backheel the ball into securely. Quick decisions in tight spaces, a sequence that reminds me a bit of Dani Alves. "Controlled forcefulness"

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

people are underrating little Puig