Mavericky Puig

JamDav1982

Senior Member
What are those games? He started only 2 in La Liga I think, and in 1 Messi was on the bench. Messi came on and we turned it around. The point is, him starting the game is no indication whatsoever that you can't play great and clearly win the game.

Two he started in cup and away to Betis.

Poor in all three and taken off when Barca not winning.

Puig wouldnt start anyway it would be Ilaix if folk want Pedri rested. Would guess that could happen next game as Pedri been poor last few.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Two he started in cup and away to Betis.

Poor in all three and taken off when Barca not winning.

Puig wouldnt start anyway it would be Ilaix if folk want Pedri rested. Would guess that could happen next game as Pedri been poor last few.

I know, the problem is Ilaix and De Jong together looks unbalanced. Or at least that's how they looked vs Vilalreal.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Yea, and in the game vs Granada, 0-2 I think, Puig entered, we scored 5. Please...

The point is Puig was poor in those games he came off in and was given a start. He was not great v Granada either or pivotal to that turnaround.

He was decent v Alaves nothing special but better than nervy Ilaix.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
I know, the problem is Ilaix and De Jong together looks unbalanced. Or at least that's how they looked vs Vilalreal.

The team looked like they were trying to see out win and sitting off them.

Wrong approach in my opinion and sat back with three CBs v one striker and allowed them to get away without man less in midfield.

Was team approach more than FDJ/Ilaix connection not working really.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Lmao you have personality issues I swear. Puig either performes decently, above average, or really well when he plays. He rarely (if ever) gives us a shit game/cameo despite his lack of minutes. He's a la masia player. It's okay if you don't like him, but it's just weird to keep writing paragraphs about his supposed lack of talent every single day when he doesn't even play. Even worse, you're predicting that he'll turn out to be a bad player based on hunches because you can't actually use his performances against him. It's like you WANT him to lose.

It's so fucking weird.

I have seen that movie too many times.

Horrible physique, can't jump, can't defend, can't shoot.
The only skills are pig in the middle and passion.

But why wasting time with same arguments for 2 years?
Even though it is painful to watch fans with the same delusions and alibies for the 1001th time.
 

Laplacian

Senior Member
I have seen that movie too many times.

Horrible physique, can't jump, can't defend, can't shoot.
The only skills are pig in the middle and passion.

But why wasting time with same arguments for 2 years?
Even though it is painful to watch fans with the same delusions and alibies for the 1001th time.

"Painful", lmao

Mate, no one here but Bobo32 or that George Constanza guy cares at all about Puig. It'd be nice if a La masia player like him made it but that's it, other than that no one really cares. You and similar posters are the ones that are actually invested in Puig, so much that I think you'd be in pain if he somehow succeeded.
 

Bobo32

Senior Member
This game wasn't an exceptional performance by Puig, but this sequence was very nice.
The lofted pass towards the right wing is something he does flawlessly all the time, the lobbed through ball is something he attempts a lot and is a bit hit and miss, but here he hits it well, with perfect technique, timing, and awareness.

https://youtu.be/SUbRHJ4SXv8?t=298
 

Rory

Senior Member
Let's analyse this video then:

1:45 = needlessly holds onto the ball, almost loses it in a dangerous position.
2:08 = pass too far from right foot of Alena almost results in turnover.
2:15 = fires a pass into Alena which bounces to him when he has an incoming player, again could result in turnover in a pointless position.
2:29 = Receives ball from Alena just to pass it directly back to him and then stand in front of him as he advances whilst not really advancing his own position, and without checking the space behind him.
2:39 = Awful hard pass to no one.
3:15 = If this is the lofted pass you speak of it's not even a good one. It's too soft and hung in the air so doesn't result in an advantageous situation for Semedo who has the pace to get on the end of a more direct ball.
3:28 = Weak pass nearly results in turnover. Recovers the ball but again passes and nearly results in a throw in.
4:19 = Pointless dribble, lowers intensity and then passes the ball in a bouncing motion making it harder for the right back to gain an advantage on that side.
4:39 = Is that a pass or a shot? either way it's poor.
5:05 = Maybe this is the lofted pass? The one to Dembele. If so, that is just a standard pass.
5:10 = Good pass

All this whilst losing all aerial duels, physical battles etc.

He's had good performances but this is actually a bad one when you analyse it properly.
 

Bobo32

Senior Member
It's nice to see you analyze, but it needs to be pointed out that you leave out things inbetween these timestamps. I will comment on these situations you bring up, though:
Let's analyse this video then:

1:45 = needlessly holds onto the ball, almost loses it in a dangerous position.
lol
2:08 = pass too far from right foot of Alena almost results in turnover.
no, he is helping Alena to progress the ball correctly, the opponents have 7 players defending on the left flank, he doesn't want the ball to go towards Alba.
2:15 = fires a pass into Alena which bounces to him when he has an incoming player, again could result in turnover in a pointless position.
if Alena was a shit player yes, but that pass is completely fine.
2:29 = Receives ball from Alena just to pass it directly back to him and then stand in front of him as he advances whilst not really advancing his own position, and without checking the space behind him.
a bit out of sync there, but come on. He had missed to check so correctly gave it back, then he just tried to get away.
2:39 = Awful hard pass to no one.
Yeah that was terrible, the first mistake of the video. A technical mis-hit I think.
3:15 = If this is the lofted pass you speak of it's not even a good one. It's too soft and hung in the air so doesn't result in an advantageous situation for Semedo who has the pace to get on the end of a more direct ball.
No, I had a timestamp to show what I meant. That pass was fine too though, not meant to be a pass into space but more to move the ball and the opponent.
3:28 = Weak pass nearly results in turnover. Recovers the ball but again passes and nearly results in a throw in.
Maybe the pass was slightly weak, but this was a pretty nice sequence nonetheless. He won it back after Alenas pass was touched, and then he found Semedo correctly. Semedo was lazy to take the space.
4:19 = Pointless dribble, lowers intensity and then passes the ball in a bouncing motion making it harder for the right back to gain an advantage on that side.
lol again. He keeps his head up looking for an option but it is tight, then he circulates the ball perfectly fine for Semedo. He could've found Alba in the beginning though.
4:39 = Is that a pass or a shot? either way it's poor.
He wanted Konrad to meet him there for a one-two. As he didn't, it wasn't succesful. I agree the mistake is Puigs there, sometimes he is too focused on his first intention and can't change his mind in situations like these. Near the penalty box in situations like this you need to play with some chance though, and this isn't the worst mistake a Barcelona player made this year....
5:05 = Maybe this is the lofted pass? The one to Dembele. If so, that is just a standard pass.
Nothing special, but a type of pass he makes very easily. Not all midfielders do. This is the one small part of his game that reminds me of Xavi.
5:10 = Good pass
yes, that's the one I was pointing towards.

All this whilst losing all aerial duels, physical battles etc.

Please point to the lost duels and battles. I saw none, but maybe I missed some? I saw a few times he won the ball by quickness and correct positioning though.

He's had good performances but this is actually a bad one when you analyse it properly.
As I said, this wasn't an exceptional performance, I was pointing to that single sequence. Another nice sequence was in between 1:45-2:08 btw, could be analyzed.

The big picture of that video is Puig and Alena completely dominating midfield and having nice space and time on the ball all the time, able to spot any run.
 

Rory

Senior Member
Then you need to be more specific. Not exceptional ranges from absolute dogshit to a very good performance. Many of my points you seem to agree with, some of them you place blame on the other players or say it's okay Puig did that because of X reason. The first point I made is valid, replying lol to it adds nothing.

The point with that first sequence was he was lucky to escape with the ball, he won't always have Girona level players trying to get it off him, even if he did he wouldn't always be so lucky.

His pass to the right foot of alena wasn't a good one, not a big deal to admit that.

Alena being shit or not is nothing to do with it, if you pass the ball to your teammate and the ball isn't on the ground they need to take another touch to control the ball first, therefore losing the intensity of the quick passing that would create an advantage in the given position.

Also his pointless dribble you say it's perfectly fine but that he also could have found Alba. Same sort of decision making you'd have a go at Frenkie or Pedri for doing.

As a whole in that video he made one good pass in a game that didn't matter against Girona (segunda division), and this is praise-worthy? All whilst ignoring the rest of his actions that were either exactly what is to be expected of a pro footballer or were in fact below standard.
 

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