Mikayil Faye

[vuji_31]

10mil will not help us.

Keep him.

His price can be much higher after one season.

 

[jamrock]

Is Garcia so shit we can't put him for 10m to any random team in la Liga and keep the kid with the much higher potential.

What's Garcia gonna do, get out ran and muscled AGAIN my any half decent player he faces.

The fact that France has this beast of a man up front and didn't target Garcia, tells us all we need to know about Henry as a manager.

 

[DonAK]

If he's sold it need to be to a club with a reasonable buyback.

Might be the Araujo replacement if the Uruguayan keep being a pain in contract negotiations. You need someone who can play with physicality and pace as one of your CBs.

 

[ajnotkeith]

Imagine selling Faye, while keeping lenglet and Garcia.

Unfortunately it's probably because clubs actually want Faye and nobody wants to pay for the other two. With Garcia I'm more surprised because he was a starter in a very good Girona side, weird that it didn't get him a good move, rather than preferring to stay here where he is like 6th CB option. He might only play early Copa rounds and CL groups this entire season.

Regardless it's nice to see that the club's B team business is massively improving. We're signing a lot of talents for cheap like Faye, Victor, Darvich, Araujo who are being sold on for profit or contributing to the first team. Pales in comparison to the B signings of old who were mostly useless.

In terms of this transfer specifically though, I'm also disappointed he didn't get any more chance to play and show his worth. If anything, he could have improved his value a lot with a run in the first team, and he obviously has talent for it. Would have liked to see us get at least 20m but 10-15 with a good % is decent as well given we only paid like 1.5m.

 

[khaled_a_d]

In terms of this transfer specifically though, I'm also disappointed he didn't get any more chance to play and show his worth. If anything, he could have improved his value a lot with a run in the first team, and he obviously has talent for it. Would have liked to see us get at least 20m but 10-15 with a good % is decent as well given we only paid like 1.5m.

The main problem of this theory, is that it assumes the club shares the same opinion about the player.

I mean if you consider the hypothesis that the club doesn't think he is that good, and first team football could actually backfire and decrease his value rather than increasing it, would you blame them?

Xavi didn't rate him, and so far Flick didn't show much faith in him either. Maybe they just don't think he belongs to that level and it is just better to keep him hidden away until we sell him.

 

[JamDav1982]

Bit much to say Xavi/club dont rate him.

They had 4 senior defenders and then rated Cubarsi higher for how first team played.. Faye was still a lot more raw last season than a lot of folk made on.

Can still be rated and be seen as best decision for him and club to move on... preferably with some control of his future.

Dont think there would be any chance of him being sold but for the FFP situation... would be getting loaned and club monitoring his progression.

 

[ajnotkeith]

The main problem of this theory, is that it assumes the club shares the same opinion about the player.

I mean if you consider the hypothesis that the club doesn't think he is that good, and first team football could actually backfire and decrease his value rather than increasing it, would you blame them?

Xavi didn't rate him, and so far Flick didn't show much faith in him either. Maybe they just don't think he belongs to that level and it is just better to keep him hidden away until we sell him.

That is also true. The problem is they just have access to the players that we don't as fans, they get to interact with them, watch them in training etc, and we can only go off games, so we are somewhat limited in the amount of evidence we have compared to coaches.

However it may just be that circumstances didn't align for him here and it's not that he's a bad player, but he maybe wants playing time he won't get here, for instance, and isn't willing to wait. We don't know exactly. But also consider that other clubs are seeing what we see, from that perspective, I think we could get more.

 

[Porque]

That is also true. The problem is they just have access to the players that we don't as fans, they get to interact with them, watch them in training etc, and we can only go off games, so we are somewhat limited in the amount of evidence we have compared to coaches.

However it may just be that circumstances didn't align for him here and it's not that he's a bad player, but he maybe wants playing time he won't get here, for instance, and isn't willing to wait. We don't know exactly. But also consider that other clubs are seeing what we see, from that perspective, I think we could get more.

Is it better to keep a player who performs in training but failures in matches? The old Sparring World Champion in boxing.

Ok, so we don't know the story with Faye. But what we do know is that Eric Garcia has a ceiling when playing for Barcelona and it's style. And he will be exposed for the same issues this season as two seasons ago.

Is Garcia so shit we can't put him for 10m to any random team in la Liga and keep the kid with the much higher potential.

What's Garcia gonna do, get out ran and muscled AGAIN my any half decent player he faces.

The fact that France has this beast of a man up front and didn't target Garcia, tells us all we need to know about Henry as a manager.

By reports we want to keep him. But then we wanted to keep Oriol Romeu and sold him a few days later without a rumour.

With the amount of Spanish coaches in the EPL, surely we could move him there if we told him straight that he will hardly play next season and is behind Christensen, Araujo, Inigo, Cubarsi, Faye and Dominguez.

 

[jamrock]

Is it better to keep a player who performs in training but failures in matches? The old Sparring World Champion in boxing.

Ok, so we don't know the story with Faye. But what we do know is that Eric Garcia has a ceiling when playing for Barcelona and it's style. And he will be exposed for the same issues this season as two seasons ago.



By reports we want to keep him. But then we wanted to keep Oriol Romeu and sold him a few days later without a rumour.

Exactly I care zero what Garcia & lenglet do in training, the Olympics, at different clubs.

We've seen them in official matches for barca it never goes well.

At least faye is an unknown, but has all the basic tools to succeed, let him sink or swim, the basic skill set alone is to die for as a C

 

[JamDav1982]

Garcia is not as bad as made out and 'suffers' a bit from every little error being magnified once decided not good enough.

Still imagine he will move on though.

The benefit he has is no registration issues while likes of Inigo does.

Garcia was better than any Barca CB last season.. albeit in different set up. The CBs at Barca were all error strewn last time out.. probably Christensen the least of them on that to be fair.

Barca could well be telling him he is 100% staying... until registrations through then change that..

Would much rather have him in squad than Inigo though if that is the choice to be made.

 

[companyofcules]

I wouldn't negotiate without 15 mil and 40% of the next sell.
There is no need to sell him. If he flops it's ok, but he has the potential to be a starter.

I don't like "rebuy clauses", they are absolutely useless.
If we sell it should be forever. Paying extramoney for having a mediocre staff at seeing potential?
At least the percentage of the future sell is giving us money for them being stupid, and motivates the future club to trust him for a profit.

 

[Porque]

JamDav makes a good point. Eric is correct in alot of phases on the pitch, but what he fails it gets highlighted to the maximum, because it is so glaring when he gets roasted behind or outmuscled on a duel. And Flick is going to play a style which will expose these deficiencies.

No point having the squad full of samesy profiles anyways. We got a better version of Eric in Pau. And about 100 Eric Garcia's in La Masia.

 

[jamrock]

JamDav makes a good point. Eric is correct in alot of phases on the pitch, but what he fails it gets highlighted to the maximum, because it is so glaring when he gets roasted behind or outmuscled on a duel. And Flick is going to play a style which will expose these deficiencies.

No point having the squad full of samesy profiles anyways. We got a better version of Eric in Pau. And about 100 Eric Garcia's in La Masia.

Exactly lol, Garcia is the definition of average,he's a solid, that is wake and slow, has no use at a big club.

We brought about 3 Garcia's with us in tour and have another 10 In masia.

Imagine Garcia in flicks high line, it will all look nice and pretty, until someone with pace says let's go.

The fact that girona didn't immediately purchase him after him helping them to a 3rd place finish tells us everything we need to know.

Should be playing in Sevilla or betis that's his maximum level. Maybe MLS

 

[JamDav1982]

Not that it takes priority over the games he made mistakes in and not all that relevant.. but on Garcia..this may be one of the best all round CB performances of Xavis time.

Defended well and passing of a different level to any other Barca CB.

Sensational in that game.

 

[companyofcules]

Garcia is not as bad as made out and 'suffers' a bit from every little error being magnified once decided not good enough.

Still imagine he will move on though.

The benefit he has is no registration issues while likes of Inigo does.

Garcia was better than any Barca CB last season.. albeit in different set up. The CBs at Barca were all error strewn last time out.. probably Christensen the least of them on that to be fair.

Barca could well be telling him he is 100% staying... until registrations through then change that..

Would much rather have him in squad than Inigo though if that is the choice to be made.

He is a pub player dancing around like a clown. We should stop promoting La Masia players that don't take physicality seriously in key positions.
You can't be a wimp at Barcelona if Barcelona considers themselves a top 3 team every year.
This absolute madness should end.
Cruyff was humiliated, Pep lost many times, VV and Setien were humiliated for this very reason. We featured pub players not athletes.

Football is also a sport so you need to be fast, and if not possible at least strong. It doesn't help me if you are Busquets and you are pushed asside by a less talented player.