Mikayil Faye

[JamDav1982]

The thing is any young player will interview with the options, and then speak to the clubs fellow players/agents to see how things are internally. If they don't get a good feel for the environment then they won't choose that.

In the month or two since Mokio signed for Ajax, all the warning signs from Faye have been exposed in the public domain. This supports their decision not to go to Barcelona.

You can bet your last dollar Ajax during negotiations pointed to young players at Barca and what chances they are given when signed from elsewhere.. even when do well.

Mokio will be getting told Barca are selling the same story to you that they did to Faye and others... dont believe them.. you will be seen as a financial asset more than a player.

100%,

 

[DonAK]

Barca consistently losing out elite and good talent to Real Madrid and other clubs is a bigger issue than losing out on likes of Mokio.

Vinicius Jr, Rodrygo, Endrick, Arda Guler all chose Real Madrid over Barcelona. I don't buy that it was just about money. We're infamous for paying players too high salaries while Real Madrid seem to have better control of their wages.
Guys like Kendry Paez we couldn't even go for due to our finances. Someone like Echeverri we also were strongly linked with that we couldn't sign for the same reason. Then you have others like Bergvall already mentioned. The Nico Williams debacle this summer was ridiculous.

This all started under Bartomeu's term, towards the end of it. Then this board came in, did what they had to do which is fine, but for the last couple of years we've constantly been hearing how we're going to get rid of this issue soon, now, this summer, next summer.

At this point when, if ever are we getting past these problems? Some people point out to next summer or the year after when all the deferred wages are gone and the new stadium is ready, but are we really sure it's going to be much better then?

Thank god for Lamine Yamal because without him our attack would probably look like utter shit and midtable level in actual performance. A bit exaggerated but you get the point.

 

[jamrock]

If one doesn't believe that by finally getting rid of all the deferred salaries and returning to our stadium, even without it being rebuilt just plain old camp nou, will help us, then they just have a personal problem TBH.

Add to that, a extra 70-100m from the new stadium...

Since say one it's been said 2025-2026 is when we will return to some form of normalcy.

Everything between then is just to keep a roof over our heads.

Sorry if turning around multiple billion dollar organization, doesn't happen at the pace of posting on a Internet forum or turning around the finances of a house.

We are oil tanker that's leaking oil, it's complicated.

 

[JamDav1982]

Of course it should get better.. no one doubts that.

The issue is about what decisions have been made under these circumstances and how much they have fucked finances this season and 1:1 through things that are in their control... performances in Europe being one and not drastically over spending on players in their mid 30s.

All while avoiding key areas of team 3 summers on.

The teams is decent because what they have been left in first team and La Masia but they could have done a lot more to support that.

 

[khaled_a_d]

The thing is any young player will interview with the options, and then speak to the clubs fellow players/agents to see how things are internally. If they don't get a good feel for the environment then they won't choose that.

In the month or two since Mokio signed for Ajax, all the warning signs from Faye have been exposed in the public domain. This supports their decision not to go to Barcelona.

This is a pure guessing game IMO. Faye wasn't mistreated at any point and we have a good relation with him and his agent.

Ajax themselves are a mess since Overmars left. And young players are sold for profit all the time, whether it is Barca, Bayern (Stiller), RM (Kubo), City (Could argue Palmer) among others.

This is just a cynical fanbase atm who are just angry and taking it on every little thing.

Even if Faye is sold for just 8M and no buyback, it is an absolute win deal for us.

Faye came from a side that was just fighting relegation in Croatian 2nd division, he was playing as LB there. We played him as CB were he is more comfortable and he has now offers from Inter, Ligue 1 and Porto.

If you are an agent and you are thinking that was bad experience or move for him, you should find another job.

 

[JamDav1982]

Faye being sold after a good season and club undoubtedly pressuring it to happen will be seen as poor treatment and more certain a lie on what he was sold when moving to the club.

The situations of Faye and Roque will 100% be used by other clubs negotiating with players Barca after.

This idea players keep turning down Barca for money is the most frequent Barca media lie going. Gets used every time.

Spurs, Real and Ajax are not offering these huge amounts Barca cant pay or wont.

They are choosing to spend big money on players 20 years older if that is the choice.

 

[Gazzznigga]

Me: Faye! ....time to scram and never look back. You are not catalan,...you are never going to be good enough as la masia talent, except you are god-like, a la Messi...... Bye!!

 

[Gazzznigga]

More like money to register players over no money.

Just the reality of the club.

...its called "stupidity" when you spend 60m on players you don't need, in an area you are stacked, and then needing to hawk your talents for pittance, so you could get money to register your stupendous profligacy....

How about that? Reality or buffonery?

 

[JamDav1982]

This is a pure guessing game IMO. Faye wasn't mistreated at any point and we have a good relation with him and his agent.

Ajax themselves are a mess since Overmars left. And young players are sold for profit all the time, whether it is Barca, Bayern (Stiller), RM (Kubo), City (Could argue Palmer) among others.

This is just a cynical fanbase atm who are just angry and taking it on every little thing.

Even if Faye is sold for just 8M and no buyback, it is an absolute win deal for us.

Faye came from a side that was just fighting relegation in Croatian 2nd division, he was playing as LB there. We played him as CB were he is more comfortable and he has now offers from Inter, Ligue 1 and Porto.

If you are an agent and you are thinking that was bad experience or move for him, you should find another job.

Palmer for example was at City for years and he specifically pushed to leave.

Kubo also linked with Real for a while and quite clearly given a fair chance and not better than those in first team.

Very different.

Barca seemed to be salivating at the thought of getting a fee for Faye barely 3/4 months after he arrived.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Undoubtedly pressuring?
Based on what? How do we know that this isn't something agreed with him and his agent?

And in what world was Kubo given a fair chance?

 

[JamDav1982]

Undoubtedly pressuring?
Based on what? How do we know that this isn't something agreed with him and his agent?

And in what world was Kubo given a fair chance?

Given how they go with other players and the clubs siuation it is a fairly safe bet.

Club will without doubt be trying to get him to take up a move out.

When were Real unfair or forced out Kubo? He was not better than those in first team and loaned out multiple times across many years before sold with buy back.

In what world was he not given a fair chance?

 

[khaled_a_d]

Given how they go with other players and the clubs siuation it is a fairly safe bet.

Club will without doubt be trying to get him to take up a move out.

Sorry, but this a pure guess work. Just because you want to sell a player doesn't mean you are forcing him out.
It is niether a safe bet or undoubted

In what world was he not given a fair chance?

In a world where you buy a player with a lot of promises, and sell him before playing him a single minute.
He was just treated as asset, not as a prospect

 

[xXKonan]

The Roque fallout will hurt us significantly.

Spend all the time trying to woo him and telling him "Oh we have a plan for you!" and we manage to convince him and bring him in early, only for him to be put through hell with a coach who didn't want him and played him out of position any chance he got and the coach gets fired.

And now you have reports of Deco deciding "Well shucks sorry we need you go I can't "Influence the coaches decisions and oh we have a new Forward who will be played out of position to accommodate an egotistical old striker on high wages!"

The Roque situation will hamper us from agents taking us seriously now. Basically throwing a kid away after spending a lot of money on him and promising a project for him.

 

[JamDav1982]

Sorry, but this a pure guess work. Just because you want to sell a player doesn't mean you are forcing him out.
It is niether a safe bet or undoubted



In a world where you buy a player with a lot of promises, and sell him before playing him a single minute.
He was just treated as asset, not as a prospect

It will be what is happening... they will be doing best to get him out and going against what he would have been told a year ago no doubt.

Kubo will have been signed with idea that he has pre season and if not ready for first team gets a La Liga loan to develop.. and assessed again.

Kubo was very much treated as a prospect.. that doesnt mean he has to play in first team..as it doesnt with Faye now either.

To think he was treated in any way like Faye is as bad as naming Palmer.

 

[JamDav1982]

The Roque fallout will hurt us significantly.

Spend all the time trying to woo him and telling him "Oh we have a plan for you!" and we manage to convince him and bring him in early, only for him to be put through hell with a coach who didn't want him and played him out of position any chance he got and the coach gets fired.

And now you have reports of Deco deciding "Well shucks sorry we need you go I can't "Influence the coaches decisions and oh we have a new Forward who will be played out of position to accommodate an egotistical old striker on high wages!"

The Roque situation will hamper us from agents taking us seriously now. Basically throwing a kid away after spending a lot of money on him and promising a project for him.

Clearly and clean denial if dont think other clubs will be pointing to Roque and Faye when Barca are competing for youngsters.

But some will lap up the usual 'the player chose money' line as ever.