Neymar Jr. - v5

[El Flaco]

Some Neymar quotes from his interview with France Football



This is a great season for me. I even think I have had my best season since I arrived here.

I do not know if I have reached a new level, it is hard to have that judgement when you are on the pitch.

I have always had the same role from my arrival until today – it has not changed.

I have always taken responsibility on this team and everyone knows their role

Winning Ballon d'Or? "All I want to do is play with the best players in the world – and the best of all is Leo Messi.

I dream of becoming the best. I think I can do it, but calmly and quietly – I am not in a hurry.

All the players dream of [the Ballon d'Or] – I hope to win it one day.

The comeback against PSG? "This is one of the best memories of my career. I will remember it all my life.

From the final whistle of the match in Paris, I knew we could get it back.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

That's a straw man. They never said that our attack would be nothing without Neymar, only that Neymar is who we'd have left of the trio in a few years when Messi and Suarez are too old to lead the line.

Moot by now but you're the one who got confused between two posters. God Serena was referring to MIXA, and you to El Guaje

I agree with DonAK, have to be blind imo not to see the clear personal bias, both for or against, of some posters. I'm always amazed that people manage to miss one side, I guess it's just telling of where they stand on the spectrum.

 

[Jadentheman]

BTW, "standing on the ball, over dribbling, losing possession" - as you put it, are the individual STYLE of Neymar's play and concurrent clubs are not offering 100 million for this "horrible" player without a good reason!
Neymar will NOT change his style, he has it genetically, so better to complain towards the then awful management who bought such a miserable fraud like him.

But to sum it up: those who say these baseless sentences to belittle Neymar's talent and play, prove nothing else but how far they are from understanding/enjoying this game, where they care for the result only - without the play itself.

Idk why this is a complaint. We've known this since Day 1 of his arrival. In fact he was literally bought to this team because of his style of play. The team and Neymar himself has adapted and our results are better than they were before him. I quite enjoy what he gives to the team and best believe his absence is felt whenever he is not playing.

So for people to complain about ruining the style and flow of the team makes no sense. Neymar is a certain type of player that comes with certain types of drawbacks. It's up to the manager to make it so the trade-offs don't affect us too much. Lucho fail as a crap midfield doesn't help when you have two dribblers with a high dispossession rate because of their styles of play. Even then Neymar wins his 1v1 consistently even when he plays poorly and only really gets dispossessed when he attempts to dribble 3-4 opposing players around him.

 

[Aryagorn]

Idk why this is a complaint. We've known this since Day 1 of his arrival. In fact he was literally bought to this team because of his style of play. The team and Neymar himself has adapted and our results are better than they were before him. I quite enjoy what he gives to the team and best believe his absence is felt whenever he is not playing.

So for people to complain about ruining the style and flow of the team makes no sense. Neymar is a certain type of player that comes with certain types of drawbacks. It's up to the manager to make it so the trade-offs don't affect us too much. Lucho fail as a crap midfield doesn't help when you have two dribblers with a high dispossession rate because of their styles of play. Even then Neymar wins his 1v1 consistently even when he plays poorly and only really gets dispossessed when he attempts to dribble 3-4 opposing players around him.

Potroh is not exactly complaining about Neymar..... Quite the opposite actually!

 

[Potroh]

Because he himself said he's not a Barca fan. Him denying it now when it gets turned around on him doesn't work. I hate when people are two-faced about the clubs they do and don't support.

Please stop questioning myself being a fan or not!
It's unfair and more importantly: unimportant.
First of all it has nothing to do with the actual subject, but more importantly it has a bad taste, because it gives the impression if anything I might say here were worth to read ONLY if I were of "true blood".
This not an argument, it is one of the worse types of personal attacks, where regardless of what I say, you try to belittle the content, because according to your interpretation of my own words, I could only be paid any attention to only if I were of certain blood-type or caste.
We have just too often heard this argument, which results a bad taste of the mouth, even historically.

Even if I were not a fan - according to your definition or interpretation - that would be a good reason to admit the objectivity factor, that most "fans" seem to lack, specially if they don't even try to deny their over-biased approach.

I'm interested in your opinion (that's why I enter into even bad debates) but it's the content of your arguments that might interest me, and NOT the fact of how you present yourself on an imaginary scale of being or being not a Barca fan.

 

[God Serena]

Please stop questioning myself being a fan or not!
It's unfair and more importantly: unimportant.
First of all it has nothing to do with the actual subject, but more importantly it has a bad taste, because it gives the impression if anything I might say here were worth to read ONLY if I were of "true blood".
This not an argument, it is one of the worse types of personal attacks, where regardless of what I say, you try to belittle the content, because according to your interpretation of my own words, I could only be paid any attention to only if I were of certain blood-type or caste.
We have just too often heard this argument, which results a bad taste of the mouth, even historically.

Even if I were not a fan - according to your definition or interpretation - that would be a good reason to admit the objectivity factor, that most "fans" seem to lack, specially if they don't even try to deny their over-biased approach.

I'm interested in your opinion (that's why I enter into even bad debates) but it's the content of your arguments that might interest me, and NOT the fact of how you present yourself on an imaginary scale of being or being not a Barca fan.

You said yourself you're not a fan. We could get past this if you stop trying to pretend you didn't declare you're not just a few months ago.

 

[Potroh]

You said yourself you're not a fan. We could get past this if you stop trying to pretend you didn't declare you're not just a few months ago.

You simply don't seem to get it, do you?
In that one year old thread I said I weren't a REAL Barca fan. "Real" means "officially biased", hardcore, single-sided.

You seem to handle me and my old sentence as a proof of being an arch-traitor if I were NOT a fan, but what does it have to do with the actual subject?
What do you wanna prove?

 

[God Serena]

You simply don't seem to get it, do you?
In that one year old thread I said I weren't a REAL Barca fan. "Real" means "officially biased", hardcore, single-sided.

You seem to handle me and my old sentence as a proof of being an arch-traitor if I were NOT a fan, but what does it have to do with the actual subject?
What do you wanna prove?

It wasn't a year ago, it was late January.

I don't have anything to prove. By your own admission, you're not a Barca fan. You even go into full detail about your true biases.

The point BBZ made about you caring more about how we play and MSN stands because, well, you're the one who said it in the first place.

 

[Potroh]

I don't have anything to prove. By your own admission, you're not a Barca fan. You even go into full detail about your true biases.

If you have nothing to prove, why do you continue riding on this?
Otherwise yes, I said what I've said and I stand by my own words.
Even if I were NOT a Barca fan, that means I should shut up? That's your brilliant logic?

Or do you want to say or declare that only TRUE fans can be unbiased, whereas folks with less attachment are the biased ones?
Is it a crime against the "real" fans if one likes the accomplishments and play of the team or the MSN???

 

[JerseyAddict]

I'm seeing a lot more irrational hate than irrational love towards him.

Problem
is when someone tries to write rational, like he is realy good and can be the best when Messi retires but has to work better, has to step up more, has to be better,, we expect him to be better... then he is accused of being "neither left or right" and "writing bullshit" because he is not hardcore fan or hater.

This whole thread is piece of garbage if I may say. And I had my fair share of internet fights. I don't tend to waste more life on them. (not talking to you)

Yes, Neyboy is GREAT player and can and will bring much to this team but needs to DO MORE and MAKE more and FUKCING STEP UP like vs. PSG. We all expect that from him. That why he is in Barça.

If peopel had right to say that to legendary players they can surely say that to Neymar. He needs to earn legendary title. As BBZ said (between lots of it) there were some great players with shitty squads and they carried those teams. Neymar has GOAT of FOOTBALL right there on the pitch. So NO excusess.

 

[te amo barca]

This thread never fails to deliver

 

[God Serena]

If you have nothing to prove, why do you continue riding on this?
Otherwise yes, I said what I've said and I stand by my own words.
Even if I were NOT a Barca fan, that means I should shut up? That's your brilliant logic?

Or do you want to say or declare that only TRUE fans can be unbiased, whereas folks with less attachment are the biased ones?
Is it a crime against the "real" fans if one likes the accomplishments and play of the team or the MSN???

Not saying anything of the sort. You're trying too hard to defend youself.

You're trying to suggest you are a Barca fan but you made a big deal of not being one just a few months ago. If you're going to try and post your opinions as a non-fan that's perfectly fine, but at least own up to the image you have created for yourself.

 

[Potroh]

Not saying anything of the sort. You're trying too hard to defend youself.

You're trying to suggest you are a Barca fan but you made a big deal of not being one just a few months ago. If you're going to try and post your opinions as a non-fan that's perfectly fine, but at least own up to the image you have created for yourself.

I've been not trying to defend my "status" being or not being a fan according to your vocabulary.
I simply gave an explanation to your statement after you questioned my "fanship", as if it would be criteria to say something about Neymar Da Silva Junior.

Probably you should request the honorable owner of this board to introduce an entrance-exam for all potential posters, who should first prove their existence as being true fans and then they can say something.
But he could possibly go even further and introduce stars or colors, marking the fan status, so only souls with the needed rank could say anything.
Ultimately you could achieve your aim and become a member of the fan-aristocracy, talking only to other true-fans or yourself.

As far as I gather, this forum was titled "Barcaforum" and not "Pub of the True & Biased Hardcore Barca Fans Gathering".
But all good things must come to an end, so wishing you fruitful debates with fans, where the more arrogant or aggressive someone is, his sentences carry even more weight...

 

[BBZ8800]

[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION]

You said last year that you hoped Neymar proved you right and that he flopped.

Not sure why you're going off at Potroh for supposedly not being a Barca fan when you kind of wished a Barca player failed, which obviously not only effects that individual player, but the club and team itself too.

You are like a broken record, Don.

In my head, it is like this:
1. if Neymar fails right away, we will sell him, earn a lot of him (and spend way less on wages), rebuild a team and be closer to a future success
2. if Neymar plays one good season, we are "locked" with him automatically for another 3-4 seasons after that, since the same as on this topic, people will always hope that he will repeat that one good season. But he won't, since he is the master of inconsistency.
Or, in best case, he will offer 1 good season and 2 average seasons after that as long as he is here.
That's not good enough for me, and a time will prove (imo): that's not good enough for Barca either.
So, in my head, Neymar's good season is only prolonging his sale, and we will have to watch him for another 2-3 poor years after each good season played.

An option which majority of you hope for: Neymar will play consistently good both now and in the future, doesn't exist in my eyes.

So, you think that I want our player to fail and for our team to lose, while actually I want a better future for our team, and that will be once when Neymar is gone.

Analogy would be: majority wanted Lucho out this summer.
Imagine if we won La liga or a CL.
Lucho would maybe stay here.
So, he brought a success, but long term, we are going in a wrong direction with him, so if you have 2 options:
1. lose RIGHT now and get rid of Lucho, for the sake of a better long term future
2. or win a trophy RIGHT now and then have Lucho here 2-3 seasons (poor long term future)
= majority will pick: let's fail now, get rid of Lucho, move on and build a different future

Well, this is how I see Neymar.
I have 1% hopes (at max) that a guy will ever achieve anything close to what majority of you are expecting from him.
And before someone answers: but we won a treble (and a CL, of course) with him.
Well, lol.

In 4 seasons here, we would probably win at least 1 CL in 4 attempts even with Pedro-Suarez-Messi or Munir-Suarez-Messi attack.
A guy is just here, he is costing us billions of dollars and at the end of the day, he isn't bringing any influence in actual results and trophies.

So, you can go on with that story each 2 weeks, no problem.
Again, I don't see it as hating on our team, but actually wanting the BEST for our team, long term.

And we'll never get there with this clown as one of our leaders.

 

[Messi983]

This thread is so depressing and fun at the same time, lol.

Well, we could said almost the same about Neymar.