Neymar Jr. - v5

[Potroh]

Potroh himself said he isn't a Barca fan. There is no "Supposedly" as DonAK suggests and Potroh deflecting BBZ pointing out this fact by implying he actually is a fan just by being here is intellectually dishonest. BBZ isn't the only person who remembers Potroh saying this:

The true intellectual matter in your words is the flat over-simplification of my boiled up words.
- if "real" Barca fans are the ones caring for the mere results ONLY, then I'm no fan of any team. In the worst case I simply remain a retired footballer, which I'd never exchange against being a hardcore fan, without the needed objectivity and sense of the aesthetics.
- if results arrive combined with quality play, then my "fanship" is not questionable.
- When the MSN, Iniesta, etc. are gone, AND mediocre players fight for those titles, I might lose my actual interest, just as I said, but I can't be certain as thankfully they are still there.

BTW, "standing on the ball, over dribbling, losing possession" - as you put it, are the individual STYLE of Neymar's play and concurrent clubs are not offering 100 million for this "horrible" player without a good reason!
Neymar will NOT change his style, he has it genetically, so better to complain towards the then awful management who bought such a miserable fraud like him.

But to sum it up: those who say these baseless sentences to belittle Neymar's talent and play, prove nothing else but how far they are from understanding/enjoying this game, where they care for the result only - without the play itself.

Look at Dani Alves's example, who almost single-handedly carried his present team into the CL final, how many fans were constantly bitching about him when he played for this team!
Yes, this is a result-oriented sentence, but some folks need to digest that it would be much better to understand the players and the game, despite opening an absurd marketplace here, where the self-nominated coaches and presidents play with their twisted ideas of whom to buy or sell.

 

[Neymessi]

Same old BS again about him being shit and all. Its gotten so cliche and hackneyed that its not even worth debating. Not to mention a hyperbole. Sell him, only 4 good games this season, blah blah.

I have no idea why the hate is so overblown. If people disparage cr7 its understandable because you are a barca fan but why would you belittle and hate your own player who is actually world class second arguably only to messi?

Guy put a fire on this thread again and disappeared.

I think he's laughing at us for taking his bait every time........

I notice he always does that. I don't think he dissapears, I think after everyone point out his obvious logical fallacies he prefers to stay silent than defend them.

 

[JamDav1982]

If Veratti became available for 100m raise the money elsewhere if needs be.

Would get decent money for Ter Stegen, Umititi, Raki, Suarez etc. That is not even counting the poorer players could prob get decent enough fees for to contribute.

None of them are as important to the future of the club as Ney and I rate them all...ish.

This narrative that sell him to get Veratti is just a load of rubbish.

 

[God Serena]

He said he was not really a Barca fan because he started watching us because of El Tridente. Who are we to deny that he is a fan now, if he says he is.

Because he himself said he's not a Barca fan. Him denying it now when it gets turned around on him doesn't work. I hate when people are two-faced about the clubs they do and don't support. Especially when the club in question is the one that's literally given me my will to live (Although that's another story entirely). A personal pet peeve, I suppose.

Why do you feel the need to fish out old posts of his to say that he isn't a Barca fan.

I was looking for that post specifically because it's the most memorable post I can think of in the past couple of years. New member, has a strong opinion on the entire team, but bam, "not a real Barca fan". Then he has the audacity to try and flip flop when turned around on him.

Potroh might not be a Barca fan, but I'm not sure how wishing for a player to fail, which obviously not only affects him, but his team too, is the definition of a lifelong Barca fan?

You can wish for individual players to fail without wishing for the club to fail as well. Everyone has taken a kind of sick pleasure in watching their least liked players fail. It's observable in all of us. Probably not on a BBZ level and probably not with our top players though. Neymar shouldn't get the same disdain as players like Arda, who I want to see fail every second he's out there. Luckily, he seems to want the same thing. Screw you, Arda...

BBZ is in no position to call out anyone else when he's going OTT like that.

BBZ's behavior doesn't mean he isn't right on that particular point though. Potroh isn't a real Barca fan and the results are less important to him than MSN.

BBZ is letting his dislike for Neymar get the better of him. It's such a crazy obsession that he doesn't even realize he's indirectly hoping for his team to fail just so he can say: I told you so, I was right!

I can't comment on that either way, I generally try to avoid the threads for MSN.

Bitching against Neymar's inconsistency is not very productive when you're offering no solution yourself. Replace him with a player half the talent who is consistent at least. Okay, let's do that.

Does it solve our problems? It's a very simple question.

Last time we had a player like that in Pedro, you were among the people bitching against his performances.

Pedro wasn't consistent, though. His lackluster performances are largely why MSN is even a thing, even. He sucked it up at LW and we bought Neymar, and then he sucked it up on the RW and we bought Suarez. In hindsight he was probably best in his role as 4th forward and I hardheadedly chose to not support him based on his form in previous seasons (I was way more La Masia biased then than I am even now) but if we were to sell Neymar (Again, only if we could trade for Verrati) we could find a LW who would help us win games.

Did you read El Guaje's second post right after that? Obviously not.

He clarifies that what he meant is that by selling Neymar, we stand to handicap our future attack by sacrificing the youngest our forwards.

I'll be completely honest here and say I was wrong to an extent; I genuinely thought both of those posts were by MIXA, and El Guaje jumped in. Get profile pictures, people...

 

[JamDav1982]

God Serena - would you sell Ter Stegen for 40m if it meant that could be the difference between funding Veratti or not?

I like TS.

 

[God Serena]

If Veratti became available for 100m raise the money elsewhere if needs be.

Would get decent money for Ter Stegen, Umititi, Raki, Suarez etc. That is not even counting the poorer players could prob get decent enough fees for to contribute.

None of them are as important to the future of the club as Ney and I rate them all...ish.

This narrative that sell him to get Veratti is just a load of rubbish.

Haha you threw that in just to trigger me didn't you

 

[DonAK]

There are two sides here creating havoc.

One that thinks Neymar is all rosy and has no flaws and will go really OTT to defend him at the point of blind fanboyism. The other who thinks he's the reason for all our problems, basically blind hate.

Fucking stupid both.

 

[God Serena]

God Serena - would you sell Ter Stegen for 40m if it meant that could be the difference between funding Veratti or not?

I like TS.

Mats is a different case in that we don't have any decent replacement for him and any keeper at or above his level would likely be costly, so... No.

 

[God Serena]

There are two sides here creating havoc.

One that thinks Neymar is all rosy and has no flaws and will go really OTT to defend him at the point of blind fanboyism. The other who thinks he's the reason for all our problems, basically blind hate.

Fucking stupid both.

I'm not either one though, and at this point everything seems to be surrounding me.

Either you wound me or you misunderstand the situation at hand.

 

[DonAK]

Mats is a different case in that we don't have any decent replacement for him and any keeper at or above his level would likely be costly, so... No.

You can replace him with a GK of half the talent who is more consistent and doesn't make mistakes or freezes.

I'm not either one though, and at this point everything seems to be surrounding me.

Either you wound me or you misunderstand the situation at hand.

Not necessarily talking about you. Wasn't actually thinking about you lol. Just a general statement from what I've observed. We've after all had a Neymar thread locked and another one deleted due to this thread heating up all the time.

 

[JamDav1982]

Mats is a different case in that we don't have any decent replacement for him and any keeper at or above his level would likely be costly, so... No.

Dont have any replacements for Ney either and as much as I like TS he is more easily replaced and is more inconsistent than Ney really.

Cillesen is a decent back up and can buy a GK going by track record of Bravo, TS and Cillesen the choices have been good.

So the argument of weakening one area of team to fund Veratti doesnt add up when applied to a better more important player.

 

[Lelouch vi Britannia]

There are two sides here creating havoc.

One that thinks Neymar is all rosy and has no flaws and will go really OTT to defend him at the point of blind fanboyism. The other who thinks he's the reason for all our problems, basically blind hate.

Fucking stupid both.

I don't see anyone here claiming he's perfect.

 

[God Serena]

You can replace him with a GK of half the talent who is more consistent and doesn't make mistakes or freezes.

Fight me.

Dont have any replacements for Ney either and as much as I like TS he is more easily replaced and is more inconsistent than Ney really.

Cillesen is a decent back up and can buy a GK going by track record of Bravo, TS and Cillesen the choices have been good.

So the argument of weakening one area of team to fund Veratti doesnt add up when applied to a better more important player.

You, too.

But I'll concede. That's a solid enough line of reasoning for me to be convinced.

 

[DonAK]

I don't see anyone here claiming he's perfect.

General observation.

One random guy makes a comment and the other side goes off at everyone, painting everyone with the same brush.

 

[Lelouch vi Britannia]

I'm seeing a lot more irrational hate than irrational love towards him.