Neymar Jr. - v5
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BBZ8800
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To be fair, Spain was never the most attractive league in a world except since Messi.
Then RM bought CR7, and Barca and RM won 7 CLs in the last 10-12 years and here you go: Spain is suddenly so popular.
In 90s and early 00s, Italian Serie A was as popular as EPL today.
EPL is or will be a NO1 in the future and there is a chance that Serie A/Germany/France will grow also.
Remove Messi, Cr7 and CL titles in the future from Barca/Real and they will soon return to a level of pre-Messi and pre-CR7 and pre-Barca/RM domination.
Milan was Barca of 90s and early 00s.
Who cares today about their players, their forwards, their results etc?
So, long term, don't be so sure that Barca and ONLY Barca is the only place to get a recognition, titles, fame, BallonDOrs and everything.
Theoretically, imagine PSG winning a CL with Neymar.
I am quite sure that Neymar would win Ballon D Or that year.
On the other hand, imagine Barca/RM winning a CL.
Do you know who will win a BDOr? Messi or Cr7...
Also, I don't see too much difference in banging goals vs Getafe, Levante and Rayo Vallecano comapred to goals vs Nice, Tulouse, Rennes etc.
Also, who cares today about Higuain's goals in Serie A? Nobody.
10 years ago he would have won a Ballon D Or for that achievement.
Times can easily change in like 3-5-10 years.
You need a balance between high and impossible release clause.
150 is not too much.
220 is perfect.
300 is too much and nobody would pay.
So, 220 is a win win to some extent.
You get a looot of money, and sell a player who is unhappy here.
Plus, you can buy 2 Wc players for that money.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
So much hate for Neymar here, what else is new?
If you sell Neymar, there is no guarantee that you will get the likes of Mbappe, Dembele and Veratti. Money can't buy everything. What's going to happen when that happens? You leave with a lot of cash and an aging front line. Fuck?
If you sell Neymar, there is no guarantee that you will get the likes of Mbappe, Dembele and Veratti. Money can't buy everything. What's going to happen when that happens? You leave with a lot of cash and an aging front line. Fuck?
Albo
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Hate? Haven't seen hate yet, if he wants to go to PSG and PSG is willing to pay a audacious amount of money for him, why not? It's a stupid idea to force players to stay if they don't want to, performances will surely drop. I'd be furious if Neymar's release clause was something like 100-150m and we let him go but for 122m + Verratti I wouldn't mind the transfer.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
2 years ago, people were saying: if we don't get Pogba, we are screwed.
He will dominate world football for the next 10 years and there are no other young and good midfielders available.
Fast forward 2 years later: Pogba is a crap, he isn't dominating anything.
And suddenly there are lots of new, young interesting midfielders, like Verratti, Eriksen, Coutinho, Keita, even Seri etc.
If you get my point? 2-3 new world class players emerge on each position in every year.
12 Months ago, nobody talked about Mbappe and Dembele.
Today they cost 130 and 90M Euros.
If we don't get Verratti, Mbappe and Dembele this summer? So what?
We can talk and flirt with them in the next 12 Months, plus in a summer of 2018, there will be at least 2 new Dembeles around, plus 2 new Coutinhos/Keitas etc.
If we keep MSN this season, we still won't win anything with a current midfield and with MSN upfront.
If we sell Neymar and don't buy anyone, so what? The same crap as having a current disfunctional midfield and attack.
Long term, selling Neymar, rebuilding a team with 2 world class players and starting some fresh ideas really wouldn't be the end of a world.
It's actually a Godsend.
We can't do worse than handing 3 CL trophies in 4 years to RM...
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
If PSG triggers the release clause and Neymar does want to go, there is nothing that we can do, sure. But some people are cheering him to go, as if he had been our biggest problem and getting rid of him would make us great again.
Who do you replace him with? Again, what if we couldn't get the likes of Mbappe (Monaco will not sell this summer), Dembele (BVB will not sell this summer) and Verratti (if PSG triggers the release clause, there is no reason they will sell us Verratti)? Who is going to be our LW starter? Denis? And the backup is Arda? We buy a LW? Who can we buy?
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khaled_a_d
Senior Member
Liga has been always an attractive league, plenty of great and highly rated players move their. Sure football had its own ears and in 90's Italy was more attractive to some extents but that didn't mean Liga wasn't attractive. It was still very friendly and attractive in terms of football style and having great weather and beautiful cities has been a factor too. I remember Rio Ferdinand in 2003 saying it is more attractive to play their than PL, Beckham moved their and even the likes of Kluivert and Vieri was highly rated when moved to Liga.
Also 220 is Impossible to pay, people really need to wake up and ignore those PR baseless rumors. The world record is 105M, it is less than double the world transfer record in 2000 when Figo moved to RM. It isn't going to be doubled by anyone, never mind a club that has 65M fee for its most expensive player, was warned by UEFA for FFP before IIRC.
And you never sell one of your best players to other clubs even if it is better for football reasons, RM has been always better financially and more popular than us even when we were dominating them because of their ability to attract stars.
Stars has been more important in football than trophies, people don't watch football to add statistics to your history in wikipedia, they want to see you having most starts. RM was marketing themselves by their ability to sign any player from anyone, and they won't sell. This has given them the ability to be driving force even when they were bad, they weren't gonna be great today if it wasn't for their ability to attract best players when you were humiliated with 6 goals at home. It took Barca years to match such reputation and being able to match them financially and popularity. You start selling the Neymars and you destroy what we have been building for years. That will effect our football in the future too.
It isn't as simple as you make it, and you are really ignoring many factors too
That really isn't saying much... After all MD is just the board's mouthpiece.
Luftstalag14
Culé de Celestial Empire
Pogba is not crap at all, he is certainly not worth the inflated price tag but still one of the best midfielders and he will have a very bright future.
Your argument looks promising, however it is based on the assumption that we will get our hands on some world class players in the near future. Long term is very important, I absolutely agree with you but the uncertainty of what is immediately ahead of us with Neymar's departure will do us no good. What about the 17/18 season? We are wasting Messi's last several years of prime time.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
You make it sound as if RM never sell players.
Again, they aren't selling their top players WHEN they are WINNING.
But neither did we.
While we were dominanting, did we sell prime Ronaldinho, prime Etoo, Messi, prime Xavi/Iniesta/Busi?
We didn't.
But again, Barca is past their prime and this team isn't a holy grail anymore.
In fact, we need tons of changes and improvements.
I am not saying that the examples are the same, but when RM had Robinho, and he didn't meet expectations (and Barca was winning titles), they sold him.
Higuain? The same thing.
The only difference is whether you are from "Neymar can improve here" or "more or less, this is all you get from Neymar".
I am from the 2nd camp, I am not satisfied with what he brings to a team, with his style of play which doesn't suit us, with amount of money we paid, legal problems regarding his transfer, his dad and everything.
And on top of everything, a team regressed a lot since he is here (ok, there are tons of other factors, but still).
Keep Neymar: we won't win anything next season.
Sell Neymar and play with a random 20M winger: we still won't win anything.
But at least we will have 220 M to invest for the future.
Again, if you are one of those who still have hopes that Neymar can improve, raise his game, be more consistent etc, then I can understand why would you say: we should not sell star players.
For me, he is dead for 18 Months already and since he will surely go away sooner or later, then in my eyes it is a no brainer: let's do it sooner, turn the page and try with 2 new players.
We have already seen what we are capable of with Neymar in the team.
Of not too much...
clemente
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Damn Mbappe is 7 years younger than him, probably suits Valverde style more too, I don't think the party boy peak is gonna last long anyway. If we sold him and had a board with brain, we could actually convert this team into a dominance for the next decade, but won't happen.
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