Neymar Jr. - v5

[wisconsincule]

No chance he leaves this summer. I don't think he'll stay forever but there is a 0 percent chance of him leaving this year.

 

[Pedro]

People on this board have been begging for him to leave for ages, so I guess they'll get their wish if he leaves. What a disaster if he does though, no one can replace him.

 

[LMessi85]

To be fair, Spain was never the most attractive league in a world except since Messi.
Then RM bought CR7, and Barca and RM won 7 CLs in the last 10-12 years and here you go: Spain is suddenly so popular.

In 90s and early 00s, Italian Serie A was as popular as EPL today.
EPL is or will be a NO1 in the future and there is a chance that Serie A/Germany/France will grow also.

Remove Messi, Cr7 and CL titles in the future from Barca/Real and they will soon return to a level of pre-Messi and pre-CR7 and pre-Barca/RM domination.

Milan was Barca of 90s and early 00s.
Who cares today about their players, their forwards, their results etc?

So, long term, don't be so sure that Barca and ONLY Barca is the only place to get a recognition, titles, fame, BallonDOrs and everything.

What a bunch of crap....Milan was barca of 90s and early 00s? lol.. ok

You compare apples and oranges. Same goes for liga not being the most attractive before messi arrived. Well, ok. You must've never heard of al the big players that played for Barca or a matter of fact RM.

Stop with this crap and your assumptions/opinion. You don't know what happens in 5 years or even next season.

 

[BBZ8800]

Pogba is not crap at all, he is certainly not worth the inflated price tag but still one of the best midfielders and he will have a very bright future.

Your argument looks promising, however it is based on the assumption that we will get our hands on some world class players in the near future. Long term is very important, I absolutely agree with you but the uncertainty of what is immediately ahead of us with Neymar's departure will do us no good. What about the 17/18 season? We are wasting Messi's last several years of prime time.

We have wasted last 5 Messi's years with winning 1 CL in 5 years, or even 1 CL in 6 years.
And we had Xavi, Iniesta, Alves in those days.

That ship has sailed.
If we win 1 more CL with Messi, that will be a miracle.

So, maybe we should turn our focus off from 2017/18 season (short term focus) and look at our future in 2018-2019-2020-2021-2022 etc.

Who do you replace him with? Again, what if we couldn't get the likes of Mbappe (Monaco will not sell this summer), Dembele (BVB will not sell this summer) and Verratti (if PSG triggers the release clause, there is no reason they will sell us Verratti)? Who is going to be our LW starter? Denis? And the backup is Arda? We buy a LW? Who can we buy?

Again, long term future is more important.
If you want to talk about a next season, no problem, we can always buy a random 10-15M winger who will play for 1 season.
So, if we sell Neymar, we don't have to play Arda or Denis.
We should go for Dembele/Coutinho etc.
If we can't buy them this summer, we can always just buy someone like Nolito (he was sold for 8M Euros this summer, right?) and voila...
You have an okish team and you have 12 Months to talk/flirt with Verratti/Dembele/Mbappe/Eriksen/Coutinho and brinh 2 of them in the next summer.

433 with (someone like) Nolito-Suarez-Messi really wouldn't be the end of a world (for one season).

 

[Luftstalag14]

Tax doesn't get added now. The laws changed.

When did that change? Who pays the sales tax when triggering the release clause? Not the selling club, is it?

So it will just be the release and no add-ons for the buying club?

 

[Zincubus]

PSG getting their own back on us for unsettling Verratti !!

They've supposedly met Neymar's buy out clause figure of €220 million !!

 

[DonAK]

When PSG transfer that kind of money to Neymar's account for him to release himself from the contract, Neymar will be subject to income tax of said amount.

Unless that's been removed, the tax issue is still there because the club will not accept the buyout fee, and force Neymar to pay it.

Edit: Spain passed a resolution a year ago which deemed the money as capital gain so no tax add-ons.

How stupid.

 

[Arkk]

PSG won't be able to trigger his release clause and avoid FFP. 120m+ Verratti makes more sense as Verratti already wants to leave. we would do well to sell Neymar now as I think he'll go down the route of most brazilians in the future, look at Dinho etc.

Neymar is a great player obviously but the chance to invest that money into Dembele, Verratti and others shouldn't be passed up, team balance is more important and MSN can't carry our shit midfield as we saw last season.

i'll probably get alot of hate from the neymar fans but it's not that i dislike him or dont rate him

 

[xavi_the_Boss]

Good luck paying that 220M release clause.

 

[Luftstalag14]

When PSG transfer that kind of money to Neymar's account for him to release himself from the contract, Neymar will be subject to income tax of said amount.

Unless that's been removed, the tax issue is still there because the club will not accept the buyout fee, and force Neymar to pay it.

Edit: Spain passed a resolution a year ago which deemed the money as capital gain so no tax add-ons.

How stupid.

So PSG will need to fork out 222m(ish) only, that's it, right?

Indeed a stupid move, less money for the Spanish government. This means we will have to set even higher buy-outs for our players as the sales tax which was used as a deterrent is no longer there.

 

[Pedro]

Good luck paying that 220M release clause.

PSG have unlimited money, it will no problem even if it was €1Billion.

 

[xXKonan]

Neymar to the Golden state warriors.

 

[BBZ8800]

What a bunch of crap....Milan was barca of 90s and early 00s? lol.. ok

You compare apples and oranges. Same goes for liga not being the most attractive before messi arrived. Well, ok. You must've never heard of al the big players that played for Barca or a matter of fact RM.

Stop with this crap and your assumptions/opinion. You don't know what happens in 5 years or even next season.

Enlighten me.
Who was the best European team from 1990-2005?

Plus, in what part of history was Spanish league the most attractive league before Messi?

In late 90s, RM bought superstars, and Barca had only Rivaldo and dutch guys.
While Italy had 5-6 teams with a similar fianancial power and with the same number (or higher) of Wc players: Milan, Juventus, Inter, Lazio, Roma, Parma.
Italian teams were banging trophy after trophy in those years, unlike Spanish teams.

Champions league:
1989: Milan-Steaua 4:0
1990: Milan:Benfica 1:0
1992: Barca:Sampdoria 1:0
1993: Marseille:Milan 1:0
1994: Milan:Barcelona 4:0
1995: Ajax:Milan 1:0
1996: Juventus:Ajax penalty kicks
1997: Borrusia:Juventus 3:1
1998: Real:Juventus 1:0
2003: Milan:Juventus penalty kicks
2005: Liverpool:Milan penalty kicks
2007: Milan:Liverpool 2:1

Milan has 8 CL finals in those 20-ish years.
5 Cl titles and 3 lost finals.
For comparison, Barca has 4 Cl titles and only 4 CL finals in the last 12 years with Messi when we dominated the world.
Milan managed to the same for 20 years.

Uefa cup:
1989: Napoli:Stuttgart
1990: Juventus:Fiorentina (lol)
1991: Inter:Roma (lol)
1992: Ajax:Torino
1993: Juventus:Borussia
1994: Inter:Salzburg
1995: Parma:Juventus (lol)
1997: Schalke:Inter
1998: Inter:Lazio (lol)
1999: Parma:Marseille

Look at the amount of CL and Uefa cup finals for Italian teams back then.
Europan cups looked like Italian playground back then.
They had 6-7 insanely rich and strong teams.

On the other hand, a number of Spanish teams in finals in those years:
Champions league:
1992: Barcelona:Sampdoria
1994: Milan:Barcelona
1998: Real:Juve
2000: Real:Valencia
2001: Bayern:Valencia
2006: Barcelona:Arsenal

Uefa cup:
90s: zero finals for Spanish teams
2001: Liverpool:Alaves
2004: Valencia:Marseille
2006: Sevilla:Middlesbrough
2007: Sevilla:Espanyol
2002: Real:Bayer Lev

Look at the 90s comparing Italian and Spanish teams.
Spanish teams started to emerge around 2000, and then in 2002 and later, Italian teams started collapsing due to financial problems and disappeared.
After that, all top players started to play for Barca/RM or Man Utd/Arsenal.

I am not saying that Barca didn't have star players before 2002, like Romario, R9, Rivaldo and Dutch players, but still.
Italian league collapsed, Barca had a luck with Messi, RM bought CR7 and voila, Spanish league turned into the best and then teams like Sevilla started to dominate Uefa league, the same how Italians were dominating the world in 1990s.

 

[BADGERBHOY]

PSG won't be able to trigger his release clause and avoid FFP. 120m+ Verratti makes more sense as Verratti already wants to leave. we would do well to sell Neymar now as I think he'll go down the route of most brazilians in the future, look at Dinho etc.

Neymar is a great player obviously but the chance to invest that money into Dembele, Verratti and others shouldn't be passed up, team balance is more important and MSN can't carry our shit midfield as we saw last season.

i'll probably get alot of hate from the neymar fans but it's not that i dislike him or dont rate him

This is where I'm at as well.

Neymar for all his ability has been pretty inconsistent and I dont see that changing now seeing as he should pretty much be at the peak of his powers now.

We can buy 2 or 3 players from the top shelf for that money.

Seems pretty sensible to me.

 

[George_Costanza]

So PSG will need to fork out 222m(ish) only, that's it, right?

Indeed a stupid move, less money for the Spanish government. This means we will have to set even higher buy-outs for our players as the sales tax which was used as a deterrent is no longer there.

Do you think it was up to Barcelona to set the buyout clause at only 222m? I have no doubt Neymar Sr. negotiated the buyout clause as low as possible so he has room to renegotiate the contract anytime soon knowing clubs like PSG, City and United can afford the 222m.