Neymar Jr. - v5

[Potroh]

The things is that we are not taking advantage of those free-kicks in the middle of the park, because the once the ball is in play it will go all the way back to the GK so we can start our whole attacking movement again with the opposition fully settled in defense... So, after taking the free-kick, our attack doesn't resume from where the foul was committed, it is effectively reset by the opposition with a simple foul...

True, but we are talking about two different things here.
One situation is when the opponent lost the ball high up, the other is when we try to bring it up after a goal-kick on the left. In both situations there could be as many opponents defending on our half as many players we have there, so a lost ball could be very bad. It's better to have a free-kick in the middle than safely passing back to the goalkeeper all the time, because sooner or later the GK will bang it out almost blindly, but those balls usually land nowhere.

 

[Potroh]

Neymar shoulders some of the blame for getting fouled so much. He dilly-dallies too often, showing the ball to the defender and inviting the tackle in.

It's not a fair thing to condemn the player who is getting fouled.
There are hundreds of attackers out there, who do NOT provoke to be fouled but rather WAIT to be fouled, simply because they know they can't solve the situation otherwise and on their own. Those are the ones with limited talents, but ones like Messi or Neymar, who take those risks are often successful.

Altogether Messi dribbles as much as Neymar does, and when he is not in his best, all that you say about Neymar's dribbles stand for Messi too.

Not only is it annoying to watch, but it's also detrimental to the team.

The team was quite successful for some years with Neymar (who couldn't and wouldn't change his style ever) so regardless if you like him or not, you get what you payed for.
Perhaps it is annoying to you but for many football fans that is the truly entertaining part.
The "detrimental" word is meaningless because it questions the very attacking style of the contemporary forwards (including Messi), so either you need a different style or different world-class players to fulfill your wishes.

 

[snowy]

... It's better to have a free-kick in the middle than safely passing back to the goalkeeper all the time, because sooner or later the GK will bang it out almost blindly, but those balls usually land nowhere.

and if it's not the GK doing the kiss kiss bang bang roulette, it's one of the defenders trying to pass it back only to have the ball intercepted like the Masch situation yesterday or Vidal a few games back. Those casual passes in the defensive third are often super reckless. If you're gonna do it, at least don't be nonchalant about it trying to look cool and waiving your hand in the air like you just don't care... dayuum! [I'm lovin this word lol]

 

[Asylum15]

Haven't really said much about this guy lately, but be it due to lack of movement from other players to create space for him or whatever you want to call it, at 24, I think it's very clear that I thought he'd be at a much higher level.

2014/2015 wet our appetites, but since then it's not been progression but regression IMO.

If 100m came in for him I'd take it, and improve our obvious weaknesses such as central midfield, but because I don't trust the board, I'm indecisive.

 

[Antimadridista1]

Neymar shoulders some of the blame for getting fouled so much. He dilly-dallies too often, showing the ball to the defender and inviting the tackle in. Today, there were multiple counter-attacking opportunities where he had passing options available, but he'd rather hold on to the ball and taunt the defender. He broke down some good attacking situations because of his propensity to get fouled so much.

Not only is it annoying to watch, but it's also detrimental to the team. Against teams like Atleti, letting them regroup is just ceding total advantage to them. Look at the two goals Barca scored today. First, a dispossession by Mascherano and an immediate sprint down the pitch by Suarez, before Atleti could get numbers back. Second, a thunder shot by Messi that went through defenders and hit the post before going in, with just one slight touch before it to set the shot up. An impossible goal to defend. The last time he scored this type of goal was in 2008 against Osasuna, a rarity.

He scored one against Almeria a few seasons back, probably two years ago. Not really in the same position but same style

 

[BBZ8800]

Haven't really said much about this guy lately, but be it due to lack of movement from other players to create space for him or whatever you want to call it, at 24, I think it's very clear that I thought he'd be at a much higher level.

Born: February 5, 1992

He will be 25 in 3 days. He is far from a kid anymore and from an age when players are improving (a lot or even at all).

For example: when Messi turned 25 (Born: June 24, 1987) in a summer of 2012', Pep wasn't here anymore and Tito was a coach.
So, all Messi's years before Pep and during Pep=he was younger than current Neymar.

 

[Asylum15]

Born: February 5, 1992

He will be 25 in 3 days. He is far from a kid anymore and from an age when players are improving (a lot or even at all).

For example: when Messi turned 25 (Born: June 24, 1987) in a summer of 2012', Pep wasn't here anymore and Tito was a coach.
So, all Messi's years before Pep and during Pep=he was younger than current Neymar.

Some people once compared the two LOL.

 

[feggydinho]

Even if we sell neymar now, i dont think there is anyone good enough like neymar, to buy for the right wing currently

 

[dakt]

Even if we sell neymar now, i dont think there is anyone good enough like neymar, to buy for the right wing currently

What do you mean good enough? Like no one can't score more than 5 goals in league?

 

[Kuchi]

Neymar is the best player in his spot, by a fucking mile...ppl downsizing his contributions is absurd, to put it nicely...

One of the very few that handle pressure, keeps possession in an aggressive circumstance, takes defenders on and what he lacked in finishing he got into assists and critical penalties he obtained after taking initiative.

I'd take a player that has the initiative and balls to try to move things with a very good success rate at that...

I honestly believe that even in this form, he has still been a key performer for us.

 

[NeyMesSis]

Neymar is the best player in his spot, by a fucking mile...ppl downsizing his contributions is absurd, to put it nicely...

One of the very few that handle pressure, keeps possession in an aggressive circumstance, takes defenders on and what he lacked in finishing he got into assists and critical penalties he obtained after taking initiative.

I'd take a player that has the initiative and balls to try to move things with a very good success rate at that...

I honestly believe that even in this form, he has still been a key performer for us.

100% true

 

[dakt]

Neymar is the best player in his spot, by a fucking mile...

Then why such a low score count?

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/spanish-la-liga/top-scorers

I mean...Ramos is better and much more influential GOAL wise.

ppl downsizing his contributions is absurd, to put it nicely...

To put it nicely, no it's not. If you think that's a 100 million euros performance than you need to remove your fantasy-ney glasses off.

 

[DonAK]

Wouldn't look blindly at stats either.

Unless you mean Cristiano winning the Pichichi would mean he's better than all the other players? It's arguments like that where you shoot yourself in the foot.

That's five goals and six assists. Still too few goals though and something he need to improve ASAP. Goalscoring and overall play far from the standard expected.

 

[bismp]

The thing is that Messi had like what,3 Ballon's at his age and scoring 50 to 70 goals a season..Of course Messi is Messi,no one can reach him,but one would expect that Ney would at least have kept his 2015 form..Instead he has regressed.

 

[Potroh]

What do you mean good enough? Like no one can't score more than 5 goals in league?

Scoring... scoring and scoring again, as if in a 100m relay only the last runner, the anchor would count, even if he lost 5 meters of the advantage others gained. Or as if while making love only the last big-bang that counts and it's completely unimportant what happens before that... Just so oversimplified and flat.

When will folks understand that it's mainly Suarez who is there for finishing, Messi and Neymar do that when they can. Messi does it because he is in good form, Neymar doesn't because he is in bad form with finishes nowadays, but it's a system that works, just as the MSN declares all the time (and you can see their expressions after a goal) for them it doesn't matter who is the scorer.
But for YOU that's the only thing that matters...

(Messi's great shot yesterday was started by a nice cross from Neymar, then Rakitic back to Messi, but that's unimportant, isn't it?)
Sometimes I get the impression here that people are watching boxing or judo here - instead of Football.