Neymar Jr. - v5

[gregorrin10]

We have big wage problems at the moment.

Sell him for 100 million and use the money to help rebuild in certain positions. Then we can free up a huge amount of wages too.

That would be good, if the people in charge were good doing signings. They are not, and it could be a waste of money. Look at the summer signing. Also, I doubt Rosell will let Barto sell him. Only option is if Neymar'd want to leave himself, but he doesn't.

If 100m came in for him I'd take it, and improve our obvious weaknesses such as central midfield, but because I don't trust the board, I'm indecisive.

Imagine our Board being at least a little capable, we'd have Gabriel Jesus right now instead of Paco, and with this horrible form and focusing on everything else but football by Neymar (who with Jesus challenging him couldn't afford to be partying all the time, like he does now, because he has a guaranteed place in the starting lineup no matter what), we could actually be realistically thinking about swapping Neymar for Verratti, thus restoring our midfield to what once was. But now i can't see it happening. Unless we of course also swap Rakitič for Gabriel Jesus.

 

[Neymessi]

Then why such a low score count?

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/spanish-la-liga/top-scorers

I mean...Ramos is better and much more influential GOAL wise.



To put it nicely, no it's not. If you think that's a 100 million euros performance than you need to remove your fantasy-ney glasses off.

This is exactly whats wrong with his criticism here. Look how you are only talking about goals.

He has 14 assists and is our key playmaker along with messi. Goals aren't everything. He helps the team a lot.

Icing on the cake is how you keep bringing in ramos just because once in ages he has more goals than him which means nothing. No one apart from you will say that attacking wise ramos is better,even this season.

 

[Barcaman]

Changing narrative won't change squat. Neymar has had one good season in Barca. Yeah, he contributes but not on a level of world class player we need him to be and what he's expected to produce.

People talk about his assist but most often than not it's just a pass to Messi and Messi then scoring a great goal. Just like yesterday's "assist" from Rakitic.
And as if numbers make you great by default. :cristina:

Neymar is playing bad and is playing bad for a whole year now.

 

[Potroh]

Neymar is playing bad and is playing bad for a whole year now.

Neymar is playing worse compared to... to whom? To himself!
If you put it that way, most people will agree with you, including myself.

I can name couple of recent games when he was the best attacker, which by the way often corresponds to the opinion of those sites and papers which offer those simplified marks or ratings after each game. I often disagree with the marks there, but please tell me why is it that in this forum people are much more critical to Neymar than anywhere else?

Judging him by the mere number of goals is simply not fair, he is a key in almost every attack the team has, one way or the other, even if someone else scores or nobody does.
I don't even mention those opinions according to which Arda should play in his place, because Turan scored more in less games. But still, those need to understand this:
Arda scores only from coming from the second wave, as he is not a dribbler neither he is fast enough, so he rarely leads an attack but is undoubtedly good at arriving at the right time from the second wave as I said. If Arda was the main LW in the long run, against good opponents, the entire tactical system would need a complete redesign, as in that case Neymar's role should be taken by Alba or someone else.

Last year, when Neymar didn't play for one reason or the other, usually Munir played in his place, but again if you judged Munir by the mere number of goals, he naturally sucked. But tactically he was sort of all right, because he was fast enough, so could help the other two attackers in ways that Arda would never ever be capable, even if Arda is a better player than Munir.

So if you say Neymar is out of his good, best or game-deciding form, I'd say yes, if you say he's been worse than a year ago, I'd agree. But he regularly plays good games (even if not outstanding ones) and in the repeated bad periods he played way better than Roberto, Busquests, Arda, Gomes, Denis, Vidal, Alcacer, Rafinha, even Suarez.
Thus compare him to himself - and ONLY himself - and I'll have no more arguments...

 

[Neymessi]

Changing narrative won't change squat. Neymar has had one good season in Barca. Yeah, he contributes but not on a level of world class player we need him to be and what he's expected to produce.

People talk about his assist but most often than not it's just a pass to Messi and Messi then scoring a great goal. Just like yesterday's "assist" from Rakitic.
And as if numbers make you great by default. :cristina:

Neymar is playing bad and is playing bad for a whole year now.

So his assist stats are just reduntant numbers but when it comes to goals he should its a must he should score a lot.

 

[Barcaman]

They are not redundant numbers, that's what you said.
He often gets praised for assists by his fans in absence of anything else. But in reality, many of those assists are nothing but a pass for Messi who then does what Messi does.

Re. his goals, yes, he should score more.
Check the average positions. He is very often Barca's player closest to goal. Even ahead of Suarez. And he does miss a lot of sitters.
And then there is story behind goals just like assists differ.

Checked Neymar's goals? How many were openers or crucial goals and how many were beating a dead man late etc.? Someone already posted those stats too and I can tell you no Ney fan will like them.

To conclude my point, and as I said previously, Neymar is playing bad and those stats he has are flattering him as can easily be shown by actually looking more closely.

 

[Potroh]

Re. his goals, yes, he should score more.

He should.
But please answer me this: Is Suarez playing bad?
Because he scored more or less as many goals as Messi did. Thus the MOST in the team. So according to this scoring logic, he's been playing quite well.
But we all know that since his last year's injury Suarez plays awfully, even if scoring.

So Suarez can play bad BUT regularly scoring, whereas Neymar (who regularly played much better without scoring) is playing bad unless he scores?
Is this logic logical???

 

[evilhita666]

(Messi's great shot yesterday was started by a nice cross from Neymar, then Rakitic back to Messi, but that's unimportant, isn't it?)
Sometimes I get the impression here that people are watching boxing or judo here - instead of Football.

I'm sorry, but what great cross? Atlético's midfield was caught out of position by Cillisen's long pass to Suárez, then he passed to Neymar who had a whole lot of time and space and no other good option than to pass to Messi, so if he's going to receive some praise from that goal at all, it's from avoiding over-complicating things and doing exactly what the play asked for, something he reaaaally struggles with...

And for a forward scoring is definitely important, more in quality than quantity, but yet he's failing at both... I know people enjoy blaming Arda for El Clásico, but had Neymar scored his easy chance against RM, or even Betis for that matter, things wouldn't be so bad for us in La Liga... So we are not asking for a metric ton of goals, for example, had he scored only those two sitters we would have 4 more (possible) points in the table... That's not to say he's the only one to blame, as the rest of team and especially the coach have great responsibility in how we are playing these days, however I don't think it is crazy to expect a guy that gets paid as the best in the world to perform and deliver value according to those expectations...

 

[snowy]

..I'm sorry, but what great cross?..

it started with hook to the liver, jab jab uppercut & finally the holy cross bam wham ty ma'am! Oh oh lights out!!!

Miura vs Roman book of agony, chapter 12

Agree with the Pot man any1 not seeing the raw talent in Neymar is bat-shit blind but yeah he is no doubt under-performing based on what he can really do. Then again, the whole team's been in shambles except for Messi.
Man City the way they played vs West Ham would destroy us. SSG were playing like a speedy Gonzales attacking trident

Normally, I'd predict ney scoring at least 2 goals manana to join the Elite 300 b4 25 club but with his B day on Sunday, could go either way. Either GOAT or CRASH. Depends on his focus. Lucho should confiscate his cell starting today to keep his head in the game ahead of the

 

[Total-Football]

Scoring... scoring and scoring again, as if in a 100m relay only the last runner, the anchor would count, even if he lost 5 meters of the advantage others gained. Or as if while making love only the last big-bang that counts and it's completely unimportant what happens before that... Just so oversimplified and flat.

When will folks understand that it's mainly Suarez who is there for finishing, Messi and Neymar do that when they can. Messi does it because he is in good form, Neymar doesn't because he is in bad form with finishes nowadays, but it's a system that works, just as the MSN declares all the time (and you can see their expressions after a goal) for them it doesn't matter who is the scorer.
But for YOU that's the only thing that matters...

(Messi's great shot yesterday was started by a nice cross from Neymar, then Rakitic back to Messi, but that's unimportant, isn't it?)
Sometimes I get the impression here that people are watching boxing or judo here - instead of Football.

I couldn't resist to stress on this idea. Those anti-Neymar posters would come and say :" hey, Neymar is an attacking player, therefore, goals are significant in order to evaluate his contribution", there are 10 ways to refute this very simplistic manner of analysing a complex game like football. take a look at some of these numbers:

Iniesta (goals+assists for barca) : 38,62

Lampard (goals+assists for chealsea) : 204,128

Xavi (goals,assists for barca) : 52,66

Should we allow ourseleves to use such analogy, Lampard is literally twice the player xavi and iniesta are. Because i could say the same thing, iniesta, just like lampard, is an attacking midfielder, and should have a great number of assists+goals to his name to " justify his salary bla bla ", the difference in those numbers is frightening in favor of Lampard.

But i refuse to dumb things down, I would take Iniesta over any midfielder in the world. his fear factor is something Lampard doesn't possess, nor Andres's ability to help us monopolize the ball and pass opponents to death, or his penetration from midfield with his extraterrestrial way of cutting through, not to mention those ridiculous passes which help us start complex patterns and combinations in the attack.

Those things can not be calculated with some fancy algorithm, yet we have seen how it led to champions leagues, world cups and all of it, with style and efficiency, things Lampard with all due respect can only dream of achieving.

Neymar is not a mere winger.

 

[Barcaman]

It's ironic that you say you refuse to dumb things down..

Rushing in here after half-times convincing yourself Neymar has been great or claiming he's a better player now than he used to be is a definition of trolling and baiting.

Or getting upset when someone criticises Neymar when you dig up a thread of a player that didnt even play just to throw an outright insult at him.

So yeah.. "blabla".

 

[Total-Football]

You don't have answers to the question raised above, how Lampard is not a better midfielder than iniesta despite "outstats'ing him".

As of the rest of your comment,i will abstain from replying as i always do.

 

[TornAndFrayed]

You don't have answers to the question raised above, how Lampard is not a better midfielder than iniesta despite "outstats'ing him".

As of the rest of your comment,i will abstain from replying as i always do.

Are you saying Neymar doesn't have a goalscoring goal in Barça ?

 

[Total-Football]

Are you saying Neymar doesn't have a goalscoring goal in Barça ?

Im talking about Posters Like BBZ reducing players' values to goals, assists and numbers .

 

[Barcaman]

You don't have answers to the question raised above, how Lampard is not a better midfielder than iniesta despite "outstats'ing him".

As of the rest of your comment,i will abstain from replying as i always do.

Funny and ironic again.

You completely ignored posts before yours that dont fit your agenda and now call for answering your own. Which, btw. was only changing narrative.

I just explained how numbers aren't really the bottom of this but you still come in harping and accussing others because you dont really read posts. So yeah, bla bla. You don't really deserve any answer except being called out.