Neymar Jr.

[mc_lovin]

Imo, mental strength.
Our players are complacent.
They KNOW that they are probably the best on paper.
Also, when we play La Liga, there is NO sudden death matches.

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Our players are naturally "good boys" and not real fighters.
That style worked only when we were by far the best in the world. So, we were winning INSPITE of having a team filled with choirboys.
Today, when we are not twice as stronger as all other teams, we are eaten alive by teams whoa re more motivated, who are more "into a match", who have a more fighting attitude.

Make up your mind. Our players are complacent or "choir" guys? Seriously infuriates me.



Edit: And maybe show an example of real fighters with a resume like our "choir boys". You wont find it. We need talented players with hunger (Arthur, Frenkie, Dembele...) and a coach with some leadership and balls.

 

[jairzinho]

Its been reported that Griezmann may be moved to midfield instead

Greizmann in midfield. This circus just keeps getting better.

 

[Sterlingfan2000]

Club de amigos

 

[xXKonan]

If we somehow end up with Ney and Griez this summer, Suarez is undoubtedly going to get benched.

Griezmann isn't a perfect 9 but if Neymar comes you can't bench either of them considering the fees and wages we are paying for them. Dembele is going to suffer but Suarez will permanently lose his starting spot if that does happen.

 

[BBZ8800]

If the rumours of Griezmann playing as a CM are true, and that rakitic, umtiti, and coutinho are being sold, then this could be our lineup next season

Neymar - Suarez - Messi

--- GR7 - Frenkie - Vidal

Alba - Lenglet Pique - Roberto

Busi will never be benched.
So, Busi-Frenkie-Griezmann.

 

[abbbs97]

If the rumours of Griezmann playing as a CM are true, and that rakitic, umtiti, and coutinho are being sold, then this could be our lineup next season

Neymar - Suarez - Messi

--- GR7 - Frenkie - Vidal

Alba - Lenglet Pique - Roberto

If Umtiti is being sold, we're getting de Ligt.
I doubt the rumors of Griezmann playing in CM are true. Suarez will get benched if we get Ney and Griez.

 

[FCBfan22]

If Barto does this, we are financially finished for forseeable future.



I doubt that Coutinho can bring more than 100 million. And that's 83% of the Griezmann fee alone. We have De Jong in the next fiscal year too.

So, with this scenario, if we are incredibly optimistic:

Budget:
Sales of Gomes, Denis, Rafinha, Jasper etc: 60 million
Yearly budget: 60 million
Coutinho: 100 million
Rakitić: 40 million
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Sum: 260 million

Spending:
Griezmann: 120 million
Frenkie: 75 million
NeyNey: 300 million (if Nasser has a good day)
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Sum: 495 FUCKING million Euros (without buying a LB, we desperately need, unless we sign Luis)

This is a pure financial suicide from the board. Add to that the salaries and we are well and truly fucked in every financial way possible.


And in the next few years we will need: A world class LB, a CDM, likely a world class ST, likely a CB and likely a winger; all of that with 0 budget to spend.
This is pure harakiri by Barto.

 

[Arizona Scott]

i get bbzs point, choir boys and complacent go together.

however suarez is neither, nor is vidal. AG and de jong dont strike me as complacent either.

i agree the intensity in those matches have been wanting--particularly for mid time with us lucho through valverde--i agree beyond JV.

 

[Arizona Scott]

fcbfan 22, but if you add sales of malcom & dembele--both in fees returned and shedding wages, looking much better in the spread sheet. clearly if psg demand 300 mil to save face they will need to take coutinho at 150 or rakitic at 90--maybe both for 200.

felipe luis or monreal (frees) can be signed to back up alba and CB cover.

 

[ronniecro]

with him and griezmann in squad our embarrassments in CL will be even greater,epic almost

 

[Givenchy]

If Barto does this, we are financially finished for forseeable future.



I doubt that Coutinho can bring more than 100 million. And that's 83% of the Griezmann fee alone. We have De Jong in the next fiscal year too.

So, with this scenario, if we are incredibly optimistic:

Budget:
Sales of Gomes, Denis, Rafinha, Jasper etc: 60 million
Yearly budget: 60 million
Coutinho: 100 million
Rakitić: 40 million
-----------------------------------------------
Sum: 260 million

Spending:
Griezmann: 120 million
Frenkie: 75 million
NeyNey: 300 million (if Nasser has a good day)
----------------------------------------------
Sum: 495 FUCKING million Euros (without buying a LB, we desperately need, unless we sign Luis)

This is a pure financial suicide from the board. Add to that the salaries and we are well and truly fucked in every financial way possible.


And in the next few years we will need: A world class LB, a CDM, likely a world class ST, likely a CB and likely a winger; all of that with 0 budget to spend.
This is pure harakiri by Barto.

I don't think any Neymar deal would go down like that (pure cash) it'll most likely be Dembele +cash. this way, PSG get Mbappe's buddy and a winger to replace Neymar + money to spend on other positions.

Griezmann fee could be negotiated if we throw Semedo in BUT then we are left with only Bob at RB..

 

[CatalinR10]

I don't think any Neymar deal would go down like that (pure cash) it'll most likely be Dembele +cash. this way, PSG get Mbappe's buddy and a winger to replace Neymar + money to spend on other positions.

Griezmann fee could be negotiated if we throw Semedo in BUT then we are left with only Bob at RB..

barto just said dembele is not for sale and had a meeting with his agent to tell him same thing.

Also , Neymar is not coming.

 

[i_bleed_blaugrana]

If Barto does this, we are financially finished for forseeable future.



I doubt that Coutinho can bring more than 100 million. And that's 83% of the Griezmann fee alone. We have De Jong in the next fiscal year too.

So, with this scenario, if we are incredibly optimistic:

Budget:
Sales of Gomes, Denis, Rafinha, Jasper etc: 60 million
Yearly budget: 60 million
Coutinho: 100 million
Rakitić: 40 million
-----------------------------------------------
Sum: 260 million

Spending:
Griezmann: 120 million
Frenkie: 75 million
NeyNey: 300 million (if Nasser has a good day)
----------------------------------------------
Sum: 495 FUCKING million Euros (without buying a LB, we desperately need, unless we sign Luis)

This is a pure financial suicide from the board. Add to that the salaries and we are well and truly fucked in every financial way possible.


And in the next few years we will need: A world class LB, a CDM, likely a world class ST, likely a CB and likely a winger; all of that with 0 budget to spend.
This is pure harakiri by Barto.

Calma, B-Dawg's got this.

First off, I'd imagine Coutinho will at least enter the deal for Neymar, and I think we can reasonably value him at 120. Another player who unforunately will need to leave provided both Greiz and Ney comes is Malcom. Absolutely no need to hang on to him, I am actually very surprised we aren't hearing noise about his exit yet. But honestly, I think Cou, Malcom + 100 would get the deal over the line. They know they need to move him on and then they'd have a decent warchest to spend on a piece or two, plus a pretty underrated player in Malcom and Coutinho, who could maybe fill their creativity woes.

I also think we'd get closer to 80 mil total for Gomes, Rafinha etc. and 50-60 for Rakitic. That brings total spending thus far around 295 and sales & transfer budget around 200-210. We are probably going to be in the red a bit after this summer but it's necessary at this point.

My take is that de Ligt needs to be more of a priority, though. I really think we should slightly increase our offer just to see if we can get the deal done before moving on to this whole Ney saga. We have a couple weeks before July so we should really take advantage of them and we might be able to get that done quickly if we slightly improved the offer. If we have to, we could put Umtiti up to balance it out but I'd prefer to keep him, Semedo and Dembele if we can.

In terms of the future, with de Ligt, the only thing we'd need to worry about long-term is forwards and a LB. We have our future CBs in Todibo and de Ligt in this scenario, at DM, its there where I personally prefer Frenkie to play but if he plays further forward, Oriol is certainly a worthy candidate for that spot. Outside of Joao & Jovic, there really isn't that much out there in the market at the moment in terms of real young talent in the striker position and provided we keep Dembele, I don't think we'd need a winger for at least 5 years with him and Ney around.

Its not as dire as you make it out to be. I don't think we'd be that bad off financially after a summer like this if we sell smart and we have a lot of young players we can build around in the future.

After a summer like this (Ney, Greiz, de Ligt and Frenkie), I think all we'd need to worry about long-term is a quality LB (Grimaldo says hi) and who will be our true crack post-Messi but keeping Dembele might help with some of that.

 

[i_bleed_blaugrana]

I don't think any Neymar deal would go down like that (pure cash) it'll most likely be Dembele +cash. this way, PSG get Mbappe's buddy and a winger to replace Neymar + money to spend on other positions.

Griezmann fee could be negotiated if we throw Semedo in BUT then we are left with only Bob at RB..

Not a bad idea there to reduce the fee of Greiz. Honestly, I am very open to the idea of Dani coming back for a season or two. He could at least push Bob at RB a bit but largely, Wague would have the opportunity to learn a lot from him.

Don't forget about Wague, I honestly would want him and Aleñá to get some serious looks at starting births next season but I think we all know Valverde is too chicken-shit for that

 

[Acnologia]

The reason why be said this is because at the time Neymar to Barca seemed impossible. Also, you really think when Neymar comes back Dembele wont force a move ������