Neymar Jr.

serghei

Senior Member
That Liverpool also lost 2-0 to Red Star Belgrade. Again, if CL groups would be a good indicator, we'd be favorites to win the whole thing the way we boss our groups. The CL knockouts are where the fun starts, the groups are just for kicks. The best teams go through 99% of the time.
 

Newcomer

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He was also on the pitch when they beat Liverpool and Napoli.
Need i remind you that he was the single most influential player in the game against Liverpool. Heck he was absolutely unplayable in that game and made Livepool look ordinary.
The same Liverpool that embarrassed and massacred Barca.
Barca also struggled against Lyon in the first leg.
The lower league argument is just hilarious and lacks any form of vaidity
Lyon has once eliminated Real Madrid
Monaco destroyed Man City some years ago.... Prompting Man City to attempt signing half of their squad.
I could go on, but I don't see the need arguing over a ridiculous claim. And yes, I am a Barca supporter first.

He doesn't know, he has not seen those games.
 

Lapi

Member
Let's not compare Neymar with Messi in the last 2 years. And Ligue 1 with La Liga. Atletico and Real Madrid are not Lille and Lyon. We got 1 point from 2 games vs newly promoted sides, while getting outplayed. PSG smash the likes of Dijon 5-0 or so regularly.

This is the most robotic and "Ronaldo like" approach, ranking leagues and judgeing players accordingly, as if it was chess and complicated "elo-points" would determine ranks and rankings.

This ranking-system is as stupid as saying: Neymar is better because he could score a nice goal to Lyon, and last year Messi couldn't score there, Hence Neymar is better.
No, at present Neymar plays according to just what he is, even without Mbappe and any good teammates because all of them are injured.

Regardless what silly rankings or statistics one might come up with, Neymar is most probably the technically most gifted footballer on Earth at the moment, hence any blubbering out of antipathy and subjective feelings will hardly change that, which is quite factual, specially after seeing him in LaLiga for years.
 

serghei

Senior Member
:lol:

The point is. If you want to be the best player in the world, don't fucking go from the highest level, to a weaker level. It's basics. When you aspire to be better, don't drop the bar. That's like the worst thing you can do.

But if you do, at least make sure you beast it in the CL, and at the World Cups, Copa America, and places where the best players are. The best players in Ligue 1 are all Neymar's teammates :lol:.

Even fucking Neymar knows he screwed up but here we have a bunch of delusional PSG fans who think Neymar did a great thing by signing for PSG, because he is still a top 3 player, because he was great in the Group Stages of CL a while ago and smashes French dross in Ligue 1.

Only season Neymar was clearly a top 3 player in the world was 2014-15. Let's get that straight. PSG affair is almost entirely an undelivered promise, and what will come next is still uncertain.
 
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Zica

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Arsenal basically took the best forwards Ligue 1 had to offer in recent years except for Mbappe. Tells you everything you want to know about the strenght of the Premier League vs Ligue 1.

Sure, Neymar's level is superior to many players. But some select players have played better football than Neymar in recent years though.

You see to evaluate players based on what they can do on their best day. I evaluate players based on what they do. Performances vs potential. Neymar has the talent to be the best player in the world. This doesn't mean that he is or he will be. As of now, he doesn't break the top 5 players of the last 2 years. Messi, Ronaldo and a bunch of players from City and Liverpool have been better than Neymar.

Only reason Neymar is not top 5 is because of injuries. Nothing else. Many of those players at City and Liverpool are only great because of their coach. They are system players. Take Sterling out from under Pep and see what happens. Mane and Firmino same thing. Even Salah has been terribly inconsistent. KDB is the only one worth mentioning.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Only reason Neymar is not top 5 is because of injuries. Nothing else.

He has more problems in his quest to go back at the top except just injuries. So, injuries played a big part, but he has other things to improve too. Guy's a fecking clown and it kind of interferes with his football. Plays off the spotlight in a one-team league.

So, here are other 2 areas with problems for him. Level where he is playing at is not the best, and his attitude is crap as well.

Talent was not an issue for Neymar. But talent is not everything.
 
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Newcomer

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Only reason Neymar is not top 5 is because of injuries. Nothing else. Many of those players at City and Liverpool are only great because of their coach. They are system players. Take Sterling out from under Pep and see what happens. Mane and Firmino same thing. Even Salah has been terribly inconsistent. KDB is the only one worth mentioning.

His ranking according to Ligue and specific teams (Liverpool, City) is funny because it shows his huge bias. Fabinho is doing well now at Liverpool but, for sergei, he wouldn't have been good because he plays at Monaco in Ligue 1.
Same thing with maybe the best player of City, Bernardo Silva.

KDB was often injured last season but we all know his talent when fit. Same with Neymar.
 

Newcomer

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He has more problems in his quest to go back at the top except just injuries. So, injuries played a big part, but he has other things to improve too. Guy's a fecking clown and it kind of interferes with his football. Plays off the spotlight in a one-team league.

So, here are other 2 areas with problems for him. Level where he is playing at is not the best, and his attitude is crap as well.

Talent was not an issue for Neymar. But talent is not everything.

Lol.

Neymar has shown very good attitude imo.

If i place myself as a neutral, he wanted a transfer but didn't go on strike. As soon as the window was closed, he has played and has been decisive for his team wins despite the hostility of his own fans. I wonder what you want more from a player.
 

serghei

Senior Member
His ranking according to Ligue and specific teams (Liverpool, City) is funny because it shows his huge bias. Fabinho is doing well now at Liverpool but, for sergei, he wouldn't have been good because he plays at Monaco in Ligue 1.
Same thing with maybe the best player of City, Bernardo Silva.

KDB was often injured last season but we all know his talent when fit. Same with Neymar.

Ligue 1 is a great source for talents. The best players move from Ligue 1 to the best teams in Europe.

Lol.

Neymar has shown very good attitude imo.

Sure... :lol: A certified dream...
 

Newcomer

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Ligue 1 is a great source for talents. The best players move from Ligue 1 to the best teams in Europe.



Sure... :lol: A certified dream...

What is wrong exactly with his attitude ?

He didn't fake an injury like Coutinho. He didn't go AWOL like Dembélé.

I think every PSG fan know he doesn't like PSG/Paris/France/etc., but he is showing great determination and is serious. He went for the late game winners because he cares about winning and it is what should matter.

He is doing his job as a very well paid mercenary.
 

Lutece FC

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What is wrong exactly with his attitude ?

He didn't fake an injury like Coutinho. He didn't go AWOL like Dembélé.

I think every PSG fan know he doesn't like PSG/Paris/France/etc., but he is showing great determination and is serious. He went for the late game winners because he cares about winning and it is what should matter.

He is doing his job as a very well paid mercenary.

Just to correct you. I don't think he doesn't like PSG/Paris/France. He said it last time in interview and it was very clear. I just think he feels better in Barcelona with his friends.

I agree for the rest of message. He was always professional, his performances were always great. His 2 injuries were too bad ...
 

Lutece FC

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His ranking according to Ligue and specific teams (Liverpool, City) is funny because it shows his huge bias. Fabinho is doing well now at Liverpool but, for sergei, he wouldn't have been good because he plays at Monaco in Ligue 1.
Same thing with maybe the best player of City, Bernardo Silva.


KDB was often injured last season but we all know his talent when fit. Same with Neymar.

Absolutely true. You killed it, in one message. Moreover, Fabinho and Bernardo Silva did great in Champions League, both humiliated City with a certain ... Kylian Mbappe.


Ligue 1 is not the best championship, but it's not the worst.
 

Lapi

Member
The point is. If you want to be the best player in the world, don't fucking go from the highest level, to a weaker level. It's basics. When you aspire to be better, don't drop the bar. That's like the worst thing you can do.

Not necessarily.
No doubt Neymar has screwed up by going to France but footballers think very differently compared to spectators.

Apart from financial gain, players often like to go to certain places where they could show their particular type of talents. Neither Neymar nor Messi could flourish in the PL because for an attacker it is a meat-crunching machine, with raw and hyper-agressive defenders and bad referees. So if not Spain, usually either Italy or France remains the choice.
Neymar probably thought it will be an easy ride for him in France and he was wrong but not necessarily for the statistically dull rankings.

A Brazilian usually thinks differently from others. He wants to show how good he individually is.
He does that but of course simultaneously he wishes to win titles and trophies. But there is another factor, the commercial value of a player that shows in marketing values and the like.
Neymar is still the most expensive player on Earth and there's a good pragmatic reason behind that. His marketing value.

Wherever a player like Neymar plays, millions switch on the TV just to see him, his individual brilliance and qualities, regardless the results and the given league.
Until he got injured he also played brilliantly (and very productively) in the last CL, and you will never know what would have happened if those injuries avoided him.

The real test is: how many spectators want to see the player, and Neymar has broken all known records for that, even playing for PSG.
The same stands for Messi and Ronaldo, people just want to see them, regardless the league, and that what counts as fame and success, not only BDs and other individual or collective trophies.

If Manchester City play well, as they do now, people will watch some games of theirs but NOT because of Salah, Firminho or anyone else individually.
At present there are still three players who can bring neutral spectators: Messi, Ronaldo and Neymar, and just due to this, they are the ones having the best REAL marketing values of football.
 

eaman

Active member
Not necessarily.
No doubt Neymar has screwed up by going to France but footballers think very differently compared to spectators.

Apart from financial gain, players often like to go to certain places where they could show their particular type of talents. Neither Neymar nor Messi could flourish in the PL because for an attacker it is a meat-crunching machine, with raw and hyper-agressive defenders and bad referees. So if not Spain, usually either Italy or France remains the choice.
Neymar probably thought it will be an easy ride for him in France and he was wrong but not necessarily for the statistically dull rankings.

A Brazilian usually thinks differently from others. He wants to show how good he individually is.
He does that but of course simultaneously he wishes to win titles and trophies. But there is another factor, the commercial value of a player that shows in marketing values and the like.
Neymar is still the most expensive player on Earth and there's a good pragmatic reason behind that. His marketing value.

Wherever a player like Neymar plays, millions switch on the TV just to see him, his individual brilliance and qualities, regardless the results and the given league.
Until he got injured he also played brilliantly (and very productively) in the last CL, and you will never know what would have happened if those injuries avoided him.

The real test is: how many spectators want to see the player, and Neymar has broken all known records for that, even playing for PSG.
The same stands for Messi and Ronaldo, people just want to see them, regardless the league, and that what counts as fame and success, not only BDs and other individual or collective trophies.

If Manchester City play well, as they do now, people will watch some games of theirs but NOT because of Salah, Firminho or anyone else individually.
At present there are still three players who can bring neutral spectators: Messi, Ronaldo and Neymar, and just due to this, they are the ones having the best REAL marketing values of football.

Messi and neymar would easily dominate the premier league. The premier league is no different than la liga nowadays. There isn't much difference nowadays. Both have the same intensity and quality of play. In fact liga still has more quality all round
 

Messigician

Senior Member
We made a very big effort to get Neymar," said CEO Oscar Grau.

"We did everything possible. We made two offers, one including players and one without them but we got the feeling PSG never wanted to sell him.
 

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