Neymar - v2

[Deco 20]

What a good idea would be is if the Barca management desperately want him would be to buy him and then loan him for a season either to a team in la liga or to a team in another european league that is in similar style to la liga. That would be the smart thing to do. Let him acclimitise to europe, let him play week in, week out and see how he develops without risking anything for Barca in that first season.

I know it will not happen because of the marketing, sponsorship etc. However it would be a smart idea to loan him for experience in europe for that first season.

Imagine Cuenca and Neymar together at Ajax

 

[DonAndres]

Imagine Cuenca and Neymar together at Ajax

Cuenca wins.

 

[beautifulgame]

Except that Neymar is far ahead of Robinho.

 

[Jadentheman]

Neymar's father has offered his son to a number of top European clubs - Report
By Josh Pedley 2013-02-09 13:37:00
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Spanish newspaper Marca are reporting that the father of Neymar has been offering his son to a number of top European clubs in the past few weeks, despite an agreement supposedly existing between the player and Barcelona.

The Santos star’s father, Neymar da Silva, is believed to have met with officials from Chelsea to say that no agreement has been made with any club and that the forward could move to Stamford Bridge in the summer of 2014, after the World Cup has been held in Brazil.

He is also said to have spoken with Manchester United, Manchester City and Real Madrid to relay the same information, despite all three clubs believing the Brazilian already has a deal with Barcelona.

And, according to Marca, he does. They state that Barcelona expect to sign Neymar either this summer or after the World Cup and that the deal has been agreed by both the player and Santos. The agreement is said to have a €40million get-out clause in case either party decides to pull out.

It is possible that another club could pay the get-out clause but that would take the total transfer fee up to around €80million, and it is highly unlikely any club would pay that for a player who is yet to prove himself outside of South American football.

Source: Marcahttp://www.marca.com/2013/02/09/en/football/international_football/1360408516.html

http://www.sambafoot.com/en/news/42..._a_number_of_top_european_clubs_-_report.html


It starts!!!

 

[Semi-Neutral]

Why can't Neymar... "offer" himself? Why is his dad doing it?

 

[Birdy]

I reckon so too... Henry was immense in the treble season. Villa never reached those heights for us.

I believe Alexis has the potential, but oddly he's never played in that position!!

I dont quite agree on that..
The requirements and the standards for the wide forward position in the 4-3-3 changed immensely during pep era from 08 to 12..
Henry and Eto seemed superb during the tremble season, but you have to take into account that it was the first introduction of the new barca to the european football. Not yet reached its full potential, nor anticipated and attempted to negate by the opponents.

Henry of course towards the end of his competitive football career had the brilliance to understand and utilize his capabilities for Pep's system. However had we bought villa earlier, he would have been much more suitable for the wide position.
The emergence of Pedro was the emergence of a new type of player, essential as the system was itself evolving. It was not only due to Henry's dip in form that he was immediately displaced from the first XI.. It was also and most importantly the fact that Pedro gave all the answers to the demanding tasks the wide forward was starting to have (more pace, much much working ethic and pressing, finishing)
Watch again the final versus UTD in Rome or the 2-6 and see how much much more space the opponent's full backs were having in those games, how much henry and eto'o were letting them space Pedro and Villa never had the luxury to do in 10-11...
Lets say that a minor alternative road was taken and villa was bought in '09 instead of '10 (No ibra scenario), i highly believe we would have had another CL.. -Well, you can always assume that Pep would then still be wondering about the possibility or suitability of a heavy no9 in the team, and this could have destroyed another season, but you understand my point -

The problem today is not only due to Villa's injury, loss of form, approaching the end e.t.c.
It is a more general problem with the wide positions. Pedro is not yet at his best on the finishing, scoring and dribbling (Whatever penetrating abilities he once showed) he was in 2010, but it is also that there is no other man on the left anywhere near the standard that is set..
Alexis is not a wide forward, had demonstrated many times how uncomfortable he is there.. When receiving the ball wide, he does not know what to do with it (Villa seems three times better than him, you know villa the one to whom we have always been complaining of not taking any opponent on 1Vs1). He seems much more effective as a shadow forward, or central winger -receiving the ball centrally and drifting either left or right ..
Tello has good elements in his play, but idk how risky is to rely on him for the crucial games..
Iniesta has returned wide (mind you this happened first versus Sparktak away) bcz Tito was not satisfied with almost no one -except from pedro- on the wide positions.
But, inspite iniesta's great season so far and good games on the wing, our patient passing in the md triplete and the smoothness he adds centrally is lost.
Lets not lie, Fabregas is highly incapable of providing even the 1/10 of iniesta effectiveness in patient passing, mainpulating the tempo of the game, giving the rythm..

The problem is our biggest i think, and it can cost us the CL this season. I hope not, but i can see it.
I hope the no priority transfer for the upcoming summer would be a wide forward of high appropriacy to our system.
Neymar doesnt seem to be able to perform so. In the video posted before he reminds me of another alexis case..

 

[Jadentheman]

Game in one hour

 

[ammarfcb]

back to he's safe zone where no one can show him up in 1 hour

 

[Jadentheman]

Brazilian league isn't really all that bad. I don't know why you guys knock it. However the Paulista I will give you that. I tend to ignore his Paulista performances unless it's a good team. I would focus on Serie A and Copa Libertadores. Along with every other important SA competition.

 

[Cule4life]

He may turn out be the next Messi or Robinho 2.0 Either way too much risk for 40m. Rather give canteras a chance

 

[Semi-Neutral]

Is he clutching it up today?

 

[Jadentheman]

Not quite. Santos lost the game, but they are still at the #2 spot on the table. Neymar scored one towards the very end though. Result was Santos 1 x Paulista 3 with Santos playing as the away team. Expect a video in two days.

 

[Ode to Django]

Expect a video in two days.

Can't wait

 

[Jadentheman]

Tim Vickery column: Why Neymar is so happy to stay in Brazil

By Tim Vickery
BBC Sport
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Europe's Champions League goes into the knockout stage in the very week that the Copa Libertadores, the South American equivalent, kicks off. Neymar features in neither.
The young Brazilian has yet to be tempted by a move across the Atlantic, and Santos, his club, failed to qualify for the Libertadores. So, for the next few months, he is left kicking his heels in the obsolete and irrelevant Sao Paulo State Championship. Might Neymar be harming his own development as a result of spending too long in his comfort zone?
It is a question that has to be asked in the light of last week's friendly against England. It is clear that in Neymar's short career the England game at Wembley forms part of a pattern.
Every time he comes up against opponents who are proficient at closing down his space he finds it hard to make an impact. It was the case in the 2011 Copa America, in both legs of the quarter and semi-finals of last year's Copa Libertadores, in the Olympic final against Mexico and in all the matches he has played for Brazil against top-level adversaries.
Part of this problem is technical. In domestic Brazilian football the defensive lines normally sit very deep - meaning there is plenty of space on the field for his type of player to pick up possession, decide what to do and gather speed as he seeks to go past his marker. When he steps up a level he is robbed of that time and everything has to be executed quicker.
Neymar da Silva Santos Junior
Born: 5 February 1992, Brazil

Current club: Santos

Years - Team - Apps - Goals

2009: - Santos- 102 - 54

National team:

2009: - Brazil U17 - 3 - 1

2011: - Brazil U20 - 7 - 9

2012: - Brazil U23 - 7 - 4

2010: - Brazil - 28 - 17

But I am also tempted to believe that there is a psychological aspect to all this. An international audience might be excused some scepticism, but the talent is real. I well recall the first time I saw Neymar in the flesh - coming off the bench for Santos against Fluminense back in May 2009.
He only had eight minutes to show his stuff, but he came up with enough in that time to show that he was the real deal. From the hype that already surrounded him I had expected a dribbling specialist. But his first touch was a long-range pass that split the home defence and set up a goal.
His tight skills forced a red card for the Fluminense right-back and then his shot was pushed out by the keeper for centre forward Kleber Pereira to turn in the rebound.
A shaky 2-1 lead had turned into a 4-1 rout, and Neymar had shown he could pass, shoot and dribble - and all just a few months after his 17th birthday.
Soon afterwards Neymar went off to Nigeria to play in the Under-17 World Cup. With Liverpool's new signing Philippe Coutinho also in the team, it was the most-hyped Brazil side I can recall at that level. But they failed spectacularly.
Neymar had a poor tournament, unable to reproduce against adolescent opponents the form he was already showing in the Brazilian top flight.
I have the impression that ever since that competition, global football is something of a trauma in his young mind. For a player of his type, confidence is fundamental. But whenever I see Neymar one-on-one with a defender in top international games, I never believe he will win the duel and - for what it is worth - I have the impression he does not believe it either.
Meanwhile, in domestic football he is the undisputed king of the hill, accumulating goals and dribbling at pace worthy of comparison with a young George Best. But in the tough matches he does not seem to be making progress.
So why stay in Brazil? Why not match himself against tighter marking on a weekly basis?
True, there is no great financial incentive to move. He is already earning a fortune and there is also a personal issue - he has a son based in Santos.
There is, perhaps, one key professional justification for staying put, and it has to do with the words of Brazil coach Luiz Felipe Scolari after the loss to England. Scolari pointed out that the game came at a bad moment for those players who are based in Brazil, who, right at the start of the season, were not yet match fit.
In contrast, the England players and his own European-based contingent were in mid-season. But, added Scolari, the situation will be reversed when the sides meet again in Rio this June. Those based in Europe will have just finished a long campaign, while the domestic players will be in peak condition.
These same conditions will apply a year later when the World Cup kicks off. Perhaps the idea behind staying in Brazil is that it will give Neymar a physical advantage in 2014, which he can use to carry the host nation to World Cup glory - the perfect confidence boost before embarking on his European adventure.
Comments on the piece in the space provided. Questions on South American football to vickerycolumn@hotmail.com, and I'll pick out a couple for next week.
From last week's postbag:
Q. I'm following the Colombian national team's progress with great interest and am considering a bet on them to win the 2014 World Cup. They look well equipped as an attacking force with established players like Falcao, Martinez and Rodriguez, and exciting youngsters like Quintero and Muriel. My doubt is their defence. Do you think they'll be able to unearth enough defensive talent to mount a serious challenge in Brazil 2014? Steve Dodd
A. I think you have correctly identified their strengths and weaknesses. Colombia are playing some wonderful football, but their main centre-backs - Yepes, Mosquera, Perea - have all aged together. To compensate for their lack of pace they now have a tendency to drop deep and open up a hole between defence and midfield.
Time is tight to put this right. I'm not yet 100% convinced by Valdez, who played last Wednesday against Guatemala, but he is a younger option. And there is a youngster I'd love to see fast-tracked - John Stefan Medina of Atletico Nacional, a very promising defender.
Q. What are your views on striker Keirrison? I remember him being talked about after his move to Barcelona, but he appears to have just had a number of unsuccessful loan spells and is now back in Brazil on a long-term loan. Do you think he was just hyped too soon and what are the odds of him making a return back to Europe? Colin Brown
A. I've been wrong a hundred times, and will be wrong many times in the future, but I saw this one coming. Some disagreed with me then, but at the time I felt he was far too raw for a big European move. He was a front-to-goal, right-footed finisher and nothing else.
In addition to the disappointment of finding out that he was not as good as he had been allowed to believe, he has also had a bad recent run with injuries. If he can get fit then being back at Coritiba might be good for him - the return of Alex gives him a top-class supply line.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21409456

 

[beautifulgame]

The obvious choice tho for Barca is of course Suarez:

Presses all game, very ambitious and competitive, technically brilliant, can beat his man and prolly force his way out cuz Liverpool won't make it to CL and Barca will be difficult to resist.