Paul Pogba

[Jombi]

Let me quote you again:


Why doesn't Yaya (in particular), Piqué, Denis and Halilovic (I forgot to add him) apply here?

Denis and Halilovic havent shown anything for us. Marcelo, Varane and Casemiro were bought as really unknown quantities as 18-19 year olds which really require scouting. Its more like us signing Keirrison or Henrique or Sergio Araujo.

 

[Trickykid]

Denis and Halilovic havent shown anything for us. Marcelo, Varane and Casemiro were bought as really unknown quantities as 18-19 year olds which really require scouting. Its more like us signing Keirrison or Henrique or Sergio Araujo.

Does it really matter where they come from? If the fee is good compared to the eventual quality of the player, then I really can't see the relevance.
Piqué was signed at around 20 for 6-7M and went on to be one of our greatest defenders ever. Touré, a few years older, had a fantastic spell here and fetched us around 20M (inflation not accounted for of course). Both Denis and Halilovic will be good deals as well, no matter if they succeed here or not. I still fail to see how these examples aren't valid in terms of striking good deals for youngsters.

 

[Jombi]

Does it really matter where they come from? If the fee is good compared to the eventual quality of the player, then I really can't see the relevance.
Piqué was signed at around 20 for 6-7M and went on to be one of our greatest defenders ever. Touré, a few years older, had a fantastic spell here and fetched us around 20M (inflation not accounted for of course). Both Denis and Halilovic will be good deals as well, no matter if they succeed here or not. I still fail to see how these examples aren't valid in terms of striking good deals for youngsters.

Lets see how Denis and Halilovic do first for us.

Pique? Can we count on us signing our own players who left us as a sound transfer strategy? I am not impressed with that strategy. Its not like we had to use a great scout network to sign Pique. We knew the guy pretty well after all. Yaya? He was like 24 I believe, hardly a youngster and played in a top team in France. Price was good though, perhaps he had a year left on his contract as well, I cant remember. But in terms of scouting for youngsters who turn out great for us, we are coming up short. If this Davinson guy turns out to be another Varane for us, then we're talking.

 

[Trickykid]

Lets see how Denis and Halilovic do first for us.

Pique? Can we count on us signing our own players who left us as a sound transfer strategy? I am not impressed with that strategy. Its not like we had to use a great scout network to sign Pique. We knew the guy pretty well after all. Yaya? He was like 24 I believe, hardly a youngster and played in a top team in France. Price was good though, perhaps he had a year left on his contract as well, I cant remember. But in terms of scouting for youngsters who turn out great for us, we are coming up short. If this Davinson guy turns out to be another Varane for us, then we're talking.

Again, why does their history count against them? A good deal is a good deal no matter how you put it. Unless of course you feel like we overpaid for Piqué solely because he was a youth product of ours? Yaya was about the same age as when Casemiro returned to Real (and twice the player, obviously), so obviously he should apply as well.
Again, no matter if Denis and Halilovic succeed here, we'll end up earning a good chunk on them, thus making them good deals.

I know you won't budge on this, but no matter the spin you apply, your argument that we never sign good, young players, just doesn't hold up.

 

[Jombi]

Again, why does their history count against them? A good deal is a good deal no matter how you put it. Unless of course you feel like we overpaid for Piqué solely because he was a youth product of ours? Yaya was about the same age as when Casemiro returned to Real (and twice the player, obviously), so obviously he should apply as well.
Again, no matter if Denis and Halilovic succeed here, we'll end up earning a good chunk on them, thus making them good deals.

I know you won't budge on this, but no matter the spin you apply, your argument that we never sign good, young players, just doesn't hold up.

I never said we never buy good young players. But using a proper scout network and buy unknown youngsters on the cheap who turn out great for us? Thats what I am talking about and thats what RM did with players like Varane, Casemiro, Marcelo etc. Pique's history matters. We re-signed our own player, he really wanted to return, we got him on the cheap as he wanted to return on a bosman to us, as he had a year left. Denis and Halilovic were unknown youngsters but we dont know if they will be good for us at all and thats why we bought them after all. So the jury is still out.

 

[khaled_a_d]

I never said we never buy good young players. But using a proper scout network and buy unknown youngsters on the cheap who turn out great for us? Thats what I am talking about and thats what RM did with players like Varane, Casemiro, Marcelo etc. Pique's history matters. We re-signed our own player, he really wanted to return, we got him on the cheap as he wanted to return on a bosman to us, as he had a year left. Denis and Halilovic were unknown youngsters but we dont know if they will be good for us at all and thats why we bought them after all. So the jury is still out.

If you are gonna go back and use Marcelo example then why not using Pedro & Busquets who joined us just 1 year younger and was totally unknown?

 

[Jombi]

If you are gonna go back and use Marcelo example then why not using Pedro & Busquets who joined us just 1 year younger and was totally unknown?

Busi? He's as Catalan as it gets. I'll give you Pedro sort of. 12 years ago though!

 

[Trickykid]

I never said we never buy good young players. But using a proper scout network and buy unknown youngsters on the cheap who turn out great for us? Thats what I am talking about and thats what RM did with players like Varane, Casemiro, Marcelo etc. Pique's history matters. We re-signed our own player, he really wanted to return, we got him on the cheap as he wanted to return on a bosman to us, as he had a year left. Denis and Halilovic were unknown youngsters but we dont know if they will be good for us at all and thats why we bought them after all. So the jury is still out.

I give up man. Let's agree to disagree (yet again).

 

[Jombi]

I give up man. Let's agree to disagree (yet again).

Nothing wrong with some disagreement man!

 

[JamDav1982]

It just becomes silly when we claim that their transfer policy is so bad, only buying galacticos etc while we really are quite terrible, giving away players/flops for free left and right while RM can sell so many players with real value because they buy players with sell-on value (James, Isco etc). Have we promoted more B team players? Maybe, but the last one to succeed was Busi 7 years ago. Real have plenty of great ones out on loan, they sold Morata with a buy-back? Whats so bad about it?

You make generalisations about Real buying players with sell on value.

What about Khedira who left for free? Lucas Silva who they loaned out after a few months, Coentrao they bought for a huge fee loaned out, Illaramendi who they lost around 20m on.

That is just just from last summer.

It is nothing to do with trying to make out Reals transfer policy is shit it is about showing they are not as brilliant as you constantly make out.

Almost every subject you seem to hold up Real as a shining example.

 

[BarçaBarça]

You make generalisations about Real buying players with sell on value.

What about Khedira who left for free? Lucas Silva who they loaned out after a few months, Coentrao they bought for a huge fee loaned out, Illaramendi who they lost around 20m on.

That is just just from last summer.

It is nothing to do with trying to make out Reals transfer policy is shit it is about showing they are not as brilliant as you constantly make out.

Almost every subject you seem to hold up Real as a shining example.

Agreed! It is okay to be critical of our own board and our transfers, but there is a tendency to only point the good things out about every other club, when comparing transfer-business. The argument that Real Madrid signs players with re-sale value and pointing to James and Isco is BS, when, as you mention, Illaramendi failed and several others too.

Lets not forget the bigger picture here: RM still signs superstars with big re-sale value but forgets to sign the best players for their most needed position to strengthen: the missing defensive midfielder! If they signed Claudio Marchisio for big money instead of James, they might compete for the title/CL much better than recent years. But they prioritized the flashy offensive profiles like Isco/James instead. That is not something we want to copy in Barcelona!

I think this is why many (including myself) is keen on signing where we need it most: CB and secure the future of that spot, before looking at superstar-signings like Pogba.

That said, it is quite all right to sign top class players for positions we need. And it is obvious that Iniesta need a replacement in 1-2 years, and therefore I think many of us want a player like Pogba to join us. But we should only sign such a player when there is a clear need, and when it makes sense (+120M. is just a no-go).

 

[Jombi]

You make generalisations about Real buying players with sell on value.

What about Khedira who left for free? Lucas Silva who they loaned out after a few months, Coentrao they bought for a huge fee loaned out, Illaramendi who they lost around 20m on.

That is just just from last summer.

It is nothing to do with trying to make out Reals transfer policy is shit it is about showing they are not as brilliant as you constantly make out.

Almost every subject you seem to hold up Real as a shining example.

Almost every subject? Really? I hardly talk about RM at all, but simply mention that we can learn some things from them and that they dont have as bad transfer policies as some claim. Especially when we should really look in the mirror. I do think they buy players with more sell-on value than us absolutely. Of course they made some duds, although I think they did well to sell Illarremndi for 18m euros to a team like Sociedad which doesnt have a lot of money (surely a record breaking fee for such a team). Khedira for free. OK, what was he signed for? 10m euros? Played 150 games and he decided to leave on a bosman to play more? Hardly that bad.

 

[George_Costanza]

Di Marzio: Real Madrid are making a very serious effort in signing Pogba and have initiated the first contact with Pogba's agent. No official offer made for him yet but Real Madrid plan to make a serious offer for the player and it's looking like he will be Real Madrid's main objective this summer.

 

[JamDav1982]

Almost every subject? Really? I hardly talk about RM at all, but simply mention that we can learn some things from them and that they dont have as bad transfer policies as some claim. Especially when we should really look in the mirror. I do think they buy players with more sell-on value than us absolutely. Of course they made some duds, although I think they did well to sell Illarremndi for 18m euros to a team like Sociedad which doesnt have a lot of money (surely a record breaking fee for such a team). Khedira for free. OK, what was he signed for? 10m euros? Played 150 games and he decided to leave on a bosman to play more? Hardly that bad.

Illaramendi went back to Sociedad for the loss on the fee Real paid. It was the balance they were still due for the transfer so all Sociedad did from that transfer was make money.

Not suprised at all you try to spin these as good transfers by Real when you would crucify Barca for doing the same thing.

I pointed out four players from last Summer that Real have lost tens of millions on.

Real sell more of their first team players than Barca. They are quicker to replace the ones that have done well for them.

Barca have signed plenty of players that they could sell for profit and Real have lost money on a lot of players as well.

You will point to bargains Real get like Khedira only being 10m and the money they made on Ozil but ignore them being on one year left of contract as you try to use as an excuse for Barca signings as often as you can.

What are the sell on values of Kovavcic and Danillo the two big signings from last summer?

 

[GoGGi]

"Mourinho and #mufc offer €100m for Paul Pogba but Juventus want €120m" [as]

"There was a meeting between Juve and Real Madrid in Monte Carlo for Pogba. Real offered 8-9m a season. Raiola asked for 12-13m" [Di Marzio]