Pep Guardiola
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jamrock
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no buy it explains why he wants to leave, these people putting up the minutes played as if he should be happyto get a 15 minutes here a 30 there in meaningless games, making it look like the minutes he accumulated were all quality minutes that aided his development most times when he came on the pitch both teams stopped caring.
plus if he had gotten more meaningless minutes
JamDav1982
Senior Member
It doesnt, playing in some meaningless games he would still want to leave.
jamrock
Senior Member
the point of my post was that its because he is playing garbage minutes why he wants to leave.
anyways why did i reply to you, only got my side tracked.
@ who ever said it doesn't get any more specific than minutes played, if course it does because you and skew minutes played to make things look better than they actually are
player A, plays the full 90 of a competitive game
played b, comes of the bench for a few games after the result is already in the bag and gets to 90 minutes.
who would be happier with their 90 minutes played and that's the point, thing played a bunch of crap minutes, if tito had shown more faith and given him betterquality minutes the clause would never have been activated, especially keeping in mind we walked the league last season so his inclusion earlier or from the start more would not have affected the league title.
we have to look at how the minutes were accumulated and not just the minutes themself
anyways why did i reply to you, only got my side tracked.
@ who ever said it doesn't get any more specific than minutes played, if course it does because you and skew minutes played to make things look better than they actually are
player A, plays the full 90 of a competitive game
played b, comes of the bench for a few games after the result is already in the bag and gets to 90 minutes.
who would be happier with their 90 minutes played and that's the point, thing played a bunch of crap minutes, if tito had shown more faith and given him betterquality minutes the clause would never have been activated, especially keeping in mind we walked the league last season so his inclusion earlier or from the start more would not have affected the league title.
we have to look at how the minutes were accumulated and not just the minutes themself
Thiago left cause he saw that Tito doesnt trust him,even when Xavi was having a bad season or when he was Injure he started with painkillers if i remember correct.And seriously this was propably the right time for Thiago as he started showing his class by shining in the u-21 Euro.We have to accept that Xavi starts aging,we cant go on forever with him.Thiago was the best thing we had for the position as he already knew the style of the team and had the skills and abilities to be great here.We should care for the future before it was too late but now it is for Thiago.
Im sure if Pep was still here he would get more minutes and be used in more important games.Pep used him in his first official game with the first team against Madrid in Super cup,against Milan in San siro,in the club world cup final and against Madrid in camp nou that was an important game.Clearly Pep had plans for him at the future
Im sure if Pep was still here he would get more minutes and be used in more important games.Pep used him in his first official game with the first team against Madrid in Super cup,against Milan in San siro,in the club world cup final and against Madrid in camp nou that was an important game.Clearly Pep had plans for him at the future
Ursegor
World Champion
He has played 500 out of 800 minutes in the last 2 months. You can't accummulate 500 out of 800 minutes by playing "garbage minutes". It's elementary school maths. lol
In the last 9 games (last 2 months which Galning has mentioned) Thiago has started 5 times and played less than 30 minutes only once.
In the last 18 games of the season he has started 12 times.
Stop acting like he was some kind of Bojan-esque 85 minute sub and let's talk about facts. He got as many minutes as any other midfielder could hope to get in a team with Xaviestabregas.
In the last 9 games (last 2 months which Galning has mentioned) Thiago has started 5 times and played less than 30 minutes only once.
In the last 18 games of the season he has started 12 times.
Stop acting like he was some kind of Bojan-esque 85 minute sub and let's talk about facts. He got as many minutes as any other midfielder could hope to get in a team with Xaviestabregas.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Pep tried to play 3-4-3 and it didnt work thats why Thiago got more games.
There is no way to keep 4 top class CMs happy in a 4-3-3.
Thiago played too much risky football to be trusted in the Xavi role yet. Especially with a Barcelona side with such attacking full backs and an exposed defence.
Cruijffista
SOY ANTIMADRIDISTA
He had plans for Thiago but purchased Cesc and basically played Cesc out of position for a whole year. Cesc looked much better under Tito than he did with Pep.
I will admit Thiago took a back seat due to his injuries and the fact that Tito played Cesc more in the midfield than Pep did.
If it's a question between Cesc and Thiago, I have to go with Cesc even though Thiago is more suited for Xavi's role.
Ursegor
World Champion
It's not even true that Pep gave him more minutes. Someone set this myth in the world and everyone is repeating it now the same way everyone is crazy for ter Stegen for some ridiculous reason although it's obvious that absolutely no one on this forum has every watched a single Mönchengladbach game for full 90 minutes.
When Thiago was fit, Tito gave him 1200 minutes in the second half of the season. Pep gave him 800 minutes. Despite 3-4-3. Fabregas had a stinker of a second half yet it was Fabregas who started against Leverkusen, Milan and Chelsea in the knockout stages. Thiago only played the Camp Nou league Clasico because Pep had to rest Fabregas and Alexis 3 days before the Chelsea return leg and the Clasico was the less important game because even with a victory Barca would have had less points than Madrid with only 3 or 4 games remaining (which Madrid went on to win anyway). Otherwise Fabregas was his prefered player in big games as evident in his minutes in the CL knockout stages. Thiago didn't play more and Thiago didn't play more big games under Pep.
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JamDav1982
Senior Member
It's not even true that Pep gave him more minutes. Someone set this myth in the world and everyone is repeating it now the same way everyone is crazy for ter Stegen for some ridiculous reason although it's obvious that absolutely no one on this forum has every watched a single Mönchengladbach game for full 90 minutes.
When Thiago was fit, Tito gave him 1200 minutes in the second half of the season. Pep gave him 800 minutes. Despite 3-4-3. Fabregas had a stinker of a second half yet it was Fabregas who started against Leverkusen, Milan and Chelsea in the knockout stages. Thiago only played the Camp Nou league Clasico because Pep had to rest Fabregas and Alexis 3 days before the Chelsea return leg and the Clasico was the less important game because even a with victory Barca would have had less points than Madrid with like 3 or 4 games remaining (which Madrid went on to win). Otherwise Fabregas was his prefered player in big games as evident in his minutes in the CL knockout stages. Thiago didn't play more and Thiago didn't play more big games under Pep.
I am sure Thiago did play in more of the big games last season under Pep.
Cesc's transfer only makes sense to me if hes about to take the attacking midfielder role in the future.Otherwise he was pretty unneeded the time we got him,at least if you consider him for the midfield and not in attack.
We already knew hes not about to take the position from Xavi and Iniesta,and he doesnt suit the CM role.It would be good seing a midfield of Busquets-Thiago -Fabregas
I think Ursegor once posted that Thiago only played 80 min in the knock-out rounds under Pep. Not sure about the crucial CDR-games.
Cruijffista
SOY ANTIMADRIDISTA
Tito did play Thiago and Cesc together, they just didn't link up that well for whatever reason.
I do agree about Cesc being best used as an AM.
We should try rotating Xavi with Song some this year. I think Song could thrive in that role actually, he would add the much-needed muscle to our midfield, quick on the ball, doesn't lose the ball easily either, incredible box-to-box player, etc. Song only looked terrible for us when he was used as a CB.
Yeah it was clear long time ago that our midfield cant go on with the weak Xavi and Iniesta unable to provide any defensive cover.Most teams use box to box along with the DM
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