Philippe Coutinho
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What? I was saying a decline can start at any age. That was it.
Birdy
Senior Member
The discussion started with people arguing that his physical decline started then.
If it's mental, it's not a 'decline', it's rather a block and it can happen any time or age. And it's also reversible if the player mentally unblocks.
If it's mental, something I said might be true -at least has more plausibility than all other non-arguments put forward in this thread, we should look into the reasons why.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Lol
He failed at Bayern, the best team in the world.
And at Barca he can't show all he can because we are in a weird mental state due to Messi's greatness and history.
Can you name any current player from Barca who would be a starter at Bayern?
I can't.
Maybe Frenkie.
A huge maybe.
If failing at Bayern is a measurement, does our whole team suck then?
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
Never mind this doesn't explain why an 18 years old kid is outplaying him
He wasn't even doing well with Bayern before coaching change, when Bayern weren't actually best team in the world.
JohnN
Senior Member
So players are now declining at 30-32... That's a counter argument?
What if Coutinho is a Brazilian and those seem to decline before 28 for some reason.
What if 30-32 is just for great players and all others decline way before.
What if Coutinho was never that good, so any decline would just make him pretty average, as he currently is?
Why are we trying to justify him playing badly by throwing the blame to everyone else but himself.
Also and lastly, why don't other players have this line of reasoning at their defense when they are underperforming?
Some thoughts..
What if Coutinho is a Brazilian and those seem to decline before 28 for some reason.
What if 30-32 is just for great players and all others decline way before.
What if Coutinho was never that good, so any decline would just make him pretty average, as he currently is?
Why are we trying to justify him playing badly by throwing the blame to everyone else but himself.
Also and lastly, why don't other players have this line of reasoning at their defense when they are underperforming?
Some thoughts..
He didn't just fail to nail down a starting spot at bayern, he failed to play well except for about 3 matches. Big difference in what you're saying is failing and what I meant is failing.
I've consistently said our barca team isn't good enough and mostly sucks. I think everyone agrees on that one on the forum. There's a few good players, a few promising ones but a lot of average/poor quality too. And guess what Coutinho still can't be a sure thing starter.
And how is this your logic: "If failing at Bayern is a measurement, does our whole team suck then?"
Which current barca players have played for bayern except for coutinho? We wouldn't know if they'd fail there. You're making it easier than usual.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Perisic, a dude who scored a goal in World cup semis and a goal in WC finals, which is 100 times more than some GOAT players in their WC career?
https://youtu.be/IPU2hI2UEmw
A dude who is tall, fast, has stamina, can defend and can score aka a very good fit for Bayern's type of football?
Look, maybe Cou is a crap, but being a 12 man at Bayern and being benched by Perisic aren't proofs of being a bad player.
Perisic is miles better winger than any winger at Barca since MSN days.
Dembele included, lol.
Birdy
Senior Member
1) 30-32 is a statistic benchmark based on empirical observations from players at top level
No correlation with Brazilian identity is observed, let alone that that would be weird
2) 'Never that good' fails in the light of him being the best player at Liverpool for 4.5 years to say the least
3) Benefit of a doubt and justification of performances happens with most players who give us a reason to do so. See the discussion about Frenkie with similar complaints about him not being as good as people expected, and again his performances at Ajax begging the question (just like Cou's performances at Liverpool beg the question)
JohnN
Senior Member
Hey.. what's this then?
In the four major European professional soccer leagues, Fu?ball-Bundesliga (Germany), Premier League (England), Serie A (Italy), and La Liga (Spain), most players are between 21 and 29 years old, and a substantial drop-off is observed at around the age of 29 years
Respekt_III
Anti-everything
Not a fact.
serghei
Senior Member
Sorry mate. I don't think Coutinho flopped at Bayern. Unless you think a team is only made of 11 players and the 4-5 players who play constantly are irrelevant.
So, what excuses do I need to keep track of?
Claims:
1) Coutinho didn't flop at Bayern
2) Yes, Bayern's team needed a more hard-working disciplined player in Perisic, also considering that they had a super offensive LB in Alphonso Davies who was in the form of his life.
1 and 2 can coexist perfectly. Coutinho was loaned by Bayern to complete their squad with a solid top player, with experience in big games, on the cheap. Similar to what they did now with Douglas Costa.
Davies - Perisic was a more balanced pair than Davies - Coutinho.
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