Philippe Coutinho

[Rory]

I declare I have won the argument because reasons. Give me a break. Coutinho isn't crap, he's a very good player when things are perfect for him. He's a below average player any other time. Therefore my opinion is that he's an average player.

Regularly used as a sub to save legs of players in a covid impacted schedule. Subbed in against us after the game was clearly won. Subbed in against Lyon at 75 mins 2-0 up again most likely to save legs. given 20 mins in the final after Gnabry ran like mad all game, i.e. to be fresh legs, not because he's a standout great player or he would have started.

If Coutinho is a great player because of what he did at Bayern then Origi is a great player and Vasquez is a great player. And countless other average players

 

[JamDav1982]

I declare I have won the argument because reasons. Give me a break. Coutinho isn't crap, he's a very good player when things are perfect for him. He's a below average player any other time. Therefore my opinion is that he's an average player.

Regularly used as a sub to save legs of players in a covid impacted schedule. Subbed in against us after the game was clearly won. Subbed in against Lyon at 75 mins 2-0 up again most likely to save legs. given 20 mins in the final after Gnabry ran like mad all game, i.e. to be fresh legs, not because he's a standout great player or he would have started.

If Coutinho is a great player because of what he did at Bayern then Origi is a great player and Vasquez is a great player. And countless other average players

Who has claimed Coutinho is/was a great player off of time at Bayern?

 

[Laplacian]

"The midfield was good enough to take care of Spurs and Inter in the CL", in other words you can't blame the midfield for not being good enough and using it for his underperformances during Messi's injury period. Again, reading comprehension.

Messi's injured period starts from October 22nd (around there):

http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php/10600-7-Philippe-Coutinho-V1/page888

Enjoy the posts if you think Coutinho was the standout performer during that period. He had one good game and it was against Inter. At least 10+ people claiming he's exhausted/out of position/down/in poor form/blaming valverde within a 15~ day period, if you think that's overwhelming praise then lol. The majority of the users are disappointed in him. Can't wait for the next excuses lol

 

[JamDav1982]

"The midfield was good enough to take care of Spurs and Inter in the CL", in other words you can't blame the midfield for not being good enough his underperformances during Messi's injury period. Again, reading comprehension.

Messi's injured period starts from October 22nd (around there):

http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php/10600-7-Philippe-Coutinho-V1/page888

Enjoy the posts if you think Coutinho was the standout performer during that period. He had one good game and it was against Inter. At least 10+ people claiming he's exhausted/out of position/down/in poor form, if you think that's overwhelming praise then lol. Can't wait for the next excuses lol

Yes the midfield in which he played in was good enough to beat Spurs and Inter. Great point.

You then pointed out Dembele/Malcolm etc as if they contributed to those games but Coutinho didnt.

Poor point with little direction.

Now resorting to strawman I see claiming if I think Coutinho was 'standout performer'. Making up points to argue against.

Losing your way here min.

Who has made the point that Messi being injured meant that Coutinho should have led the team etc? What are you arguing against? It is increasingly difficult to tell.

 

[Laplacian]

Coutinho can't dribble cause Messi lol

 

[mc_lovin]

Who has claimed Coutinho is/was a great player off of time at Bayern?

Whats the point then? He was average for Bayern, Barcelona and Brazil the last few years. But we are supposed to create some kind of fantasy environment (eg mental gymnastics) for him to succeed in.

And be happy if he becomes a decent role/bench player ala Braithwaite, Origi and Perisic. Talk about skewed expectations - see Sergheis car anolagy.

 

[JamDav1982]

Whats the point then? He was average for Bayern, Barcelona and Brazil the last few years. But we are supposed to create some kind of fantasy environment (eg mental gymnastics) for him to succeed in.

No idea what is point trying to argue against with Bayern time. Go figure it out as cant see anyone claiming it.

 

[mc_lovin]

No idea what is point trying to argue against with Bayern time. Go figure it out as cant see anyone claiming it.

Serghei tried to prove a point with his Bayern spell I guess most here would agree that he looked like a carbon copy of his post honeymoon Barcelona period there as well. His CL final cameo was atrocious (just wanted to add that).

What are your expectations? Why is this discussion so controversial anyway?

 

[Rory]

Arguing semantics. It's suggested by serghei that his time at bayern was a success because he was used on the bench. which also suggests therefore that he thinks coutinho is a good player based on this. Fine change the word great, it doesn't matter which particular word was used. I prefer debating points not specific wording used.

 

[JamDav1982]

Serghei tried to prove a point with his Bayern spell I guess most here would agree that he looked like a carbon copy of his post honeymoon Barcelona period there as well. His CL final cameo was atrocious (just wanted to add that).

What are your expectations? Why is this discussion so controversial anyway?

Expectations of what?

 

[mc_lovin]

Expectations of what?

Coutinho.

 

[JamDav1982]

Coutinho.

What are yours?

I have said what I think of him. Feel free to read back.

 

[mc_lovin]

What are yours?

Him being sold.

I have said what I think of him. Feel free to read back.

I dont care enough to read back.

 

[JamDav1982]

Him being sold.



I dont care enough to read back.

Ah well if dont care enough dont worry.

 

[Respekt_III]

Who was their best player in your opinion? After Suarez and before Van Dijk, Alisson coming, before Salah emerging? I don't see many options.
And really it's not about opinion here.
His contribution those years and the fact he was first on the team sheet under Klopp says it all.

Then, it was not a purple patch of form.
It starts in 2013 after he was transferred at Liverpool. He had immediate impact.
In 13/14 they lost the title when Gerrard slipped, and he was the second best player behind Suarez.
After Suarez left that summer he was consistently the best until he was transferred out, so for 4.5 years.
That's not a purple patch. Sorry




Coutinho is 28 mate, Messi is 33. Decline for most footballers starts somewhere at 30-32.
When Cou was transferred in he was 26. And you say that at that age a sudden and abrupt decline started?
Not plausible, sorry


All in all, none of the 'Coutinho is shit' people has provided a single explanation for his apparent sudden decline at Barca.

What khaled, BBZ and Serghei said are much more plausible to explain Coutinho's strange case

Mane was. I preferred mane then and still prefer him now(was totally against the coutinho transfer) . Coutinho was and will always be massively overrated in my opinion.
What the fuck makes him world class? Please enlighten me, is it his precise ball control and ability to beat his man? His decisive passing and through balls? His physical attributes his mentality? Seriously the guy was never worth more than 70m even in the peak of the post Neymar transfer. What did he have other than that curling right footed shot? Seriously...